From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp12.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms5.migadu.com with LMTPS id gFOmA7YJlmJ0PwEAbAwnHQ (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 31 May 2022 14:27:34 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp12.migadu.com with LMTPS id gFqQA7YJlmLxEQAAauVa8A (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 31 May 2022 14:27:34 +0200 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 87F522878F for ; Tue, 31 May 2022 14:27:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:45100 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nw0yC-0005ws-FL for larch@yhetil.org; Tue, 31 May 2022 08:27:32 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37780) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nw0lh-0003z5-B2 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2022 08:14:38 -0400 Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:48818) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nw0lb-0003bS-FI for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2022 08:14:35 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nw0lZ-0008i2-1r for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 31 May 2022 14:14:29 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org From: Uwe Brauer Subject: Re: export a org table to ascii format (tabs) are not conserved, culprit orgtbl-to-tsv? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1654000053; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=5aAozYR/7HpMy7lMepPB8EjQZMYCEt+57W+sYz6nEF4=; b=hTNXHD92fuZnP7dceW5PJdMMb7YgZ2HVpFhVZhYIqocymydJfmBuSFOy84F/14tSPsbLWF Ebw1WVUL7QUOKtJB769mJjhkIrWf6SF36Wkoeqt92teBOSY5zgsR3AOU3VRtw6XaqeL6kX sWd+jPVFWNQc1J/2C+Tmb3drdA9e7Yny3auYK2+plp8F2l8jVbKL26d9W42jcnfTFT13UO Vk0VNC0x8QVUD7QcNB69ywA8Rfx/AawyXKmu7+pAhq4EQIM9yU4rY5p26Z9slmmKP2VFdS czSlKKcbsAEKQzx9AIMf4iOFyzUUQE21EMI+sVx7G052GPVaVbgYTkO3hOTTmg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1654000053; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=UTeSz1kKRsk5QkjH+quWvDK6HyppSI3GHxxx6rdH9TbEq4XRZkTOr/Am9JwFrXfkTqUYaO grQ4A1QGUKBg2gUeCUhnd2sLDwIpt3LZBp/H62pK7SydAYjZLBEKK9KyaJJyQi1idMOXv8 /MJsdbGqrqQ5JzBPYYQs/1dp0mDRCEGYWDlX2eEk9R6UAUICLWN4q8q9/5Xbo3rt0CeQ78 wN1X7cwO8cH9lHB0OgyZWf9VKQ5RUYSa84gpq7WrHB4tkgYH8+7/3KQzG2x4kPCylYj7Na 7Dg6N+8AdhBAh+9X9GCuxSZg+xBVQraX5jIYuSgnHtL545xtOk4KjUccfbvXkg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=mat.ucm.es (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 1.26 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=mat.ucm.es (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 87F522878F X-Spam-Score: 1.26 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: fJ9iSExIjvQz --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Uwe Brauer writes: > I think you might be working under a false expectation. A quick look at > the exported table example and it looks to be correct to me - values are > tab separated, with is what a tsv format is. There is no requirement > that the columns should be aligned, only that they are separated by > tabs.=20 > With regards to more formatted output options, a common issue is with > respect to the fonts people use. If the font being used to view th > eoutput is a proportional font rather than a fixed width one, then all > formatting will be broken. Most web interfaces tend to use proportional > fonts due to their more pleasing look for most people. This is also why > tables sent via email often don't look right for the recipient - they > are using a proportional or condensed font.=20 > As you have no control over the fonts used by those viewing your ASCII > content, you cannot reliably make it look well formatted. Either you > have to do HTML, some form of markdown or some other format with > enforces tgable alignment.=20=20 Ah, this of course is right, I did not think about it, right I checked again, it is indeed a proportional font, so game over, sorry for the noise. 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