From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp10.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms5.migadu.com with LMTPS id CIwwJ/Us3WMZ5AAAbAwnHQ (envelope-from ) for ; Fri, 03 Feb 2023 16:49:09 +0100 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp10.migadu.com with LMTPS id WOQzJvUs3WPWnQAAG6o9tA (envelope-from ) for ; Fri, 03 Feb 2023 16:49:09 +0100 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 198513D4ED for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2023 16:49:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pNyIh-0003YQ-OU; Fri, 03 Feb 2023 10:48:31 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pNyIf-0003Xo-96 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2023 10:48:29 -0500 Received: from basilikum.nobis-admin.de ([89.238.71.130]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pNyIc-0003od-W8 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2023 10:48:29 -0500 From: Stefan Nobis DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=snobis.de; s=default; t=1675439301; bh=vUCgv7OTxqS/JsknTFYc2C0QWzv+J2g1Sba4+dB0Elo=; h=From:To:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=eJlLJuTAAb+RBwrdT1lggJlyLDtiBTloxrjpTJ7RrIRQ2T1m/enGwFP1hA0nsicn0 89uwURvfKNMjYRlE1WckQru2MXpVKf8DWwZ4Uxvpa7vCs6FR6DNzLREgXooIkSGSI6 dsDPFO7GvbnKiOVHsWPy3NDSJW9OpQXedd2nNjCM= To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Subject: Re: [POLL] Proposed syntax for timestamps with time zone info References: <3035CDD5-41DD-4516-9E4E-9E0DF16BE2E0@gmail.com> <87lelo8c9r.fsf@localhost> <2150768.1675077958@archlinux> <87tu063ox2.fsf@localhost> <87h6w63jgg.fsf@localhost> <86wn51g661.fsf@gmail.com> <87357pn57t.fsf@localhost> Mail-Followup-To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2023 16:48:20 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Jean Louis's message of "Wed, 1 Feb 2023 17:38:49 +0300") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=89.238.71.130; envelope-from=stefan-ml@snobis.de; helo=basilikum.nobis-admin.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." 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That's wrong and you know it. For example [2023-10-29 02:30 @Europe/Berlin] is ambiguous. Period. And that some examples got a bit off has been quite obvious and has already been stated. So its not necessary to flog dead horses. It would also be nice to eventually recognize, that we are talking about readable syntax for humans, that is sometimes generated, sometimes manually typed. Most of you comments does not really resonate with this crucial design goal. -- Until the next mail..., Stefan.