From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Stefan Nobis Subject: Re: Citations, continued Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 11:19:01 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87vbjmn6wy.fsf@berkeley.edu> <54d078ff.b044440a.06ec.3cf6@mx.google.com> <87d25rkmag.fsf@berkeley.edu> <54d1bc7b.c57d440a.3c5d.2dca@mx.google.com> <87vbjh284z.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87mw4tk4m7.fsf@berkeley.edu> <87oap7z664.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87fvaibr3k.fsf@berkeley.edu> <87y4o9s5qc.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87d25kpxap.fsf@pank.eu> <87k2zsso3w.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87vbjcoewx.fsf@gmx.us> <87bnl4shqg.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87h9uwwmgt.fsf@gmx.us> <87zj8oqqtz.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87386eywus.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87r3tydswi.fsf@gmx.us> <861tlxn3c5.fsf@berkeley.edu> <86wq3pkxpo.fsf@berkeley.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33474) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLUO1-00007G-GC for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Feb 2015 05:19:17 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLUNx-0005J4-BU for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Feb 2015 05:19:13 -0500 Received: from basilikum.nobis-admin.de ([89.238.71.130]:43690) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLUNx-0005Is-4E for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Feb 2015 05:19:09 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by basilikum.nobis-admin.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 010F07E3A09 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2015 11:19:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from basilikum.nobis-admin.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (basilikum.nobis-admin.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ok0r3vQQEBNF for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2015 11:19:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from karotte.fritz.box (unknown [IPv6:2001:4dd0:fb8a:0:5143:7614:4308:dbb8]) by basilikum.nobis-admin.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2015 11:19:02 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <86wq3pkxpo.fsf@berkeley.edu> (Richard Lawrence's message of "Tue, 10 Feb 2015 18:07:15 -0800") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Richard Lawrence writes: > I know these commands are convenient, and that not having them would > introduce this class of errors, but the question is whether they are > so important that it's worth providing an equivalent for them in > non-LaTeX backends. Hmmm... I don't see this as a big problem. Either the exporter or some tool has to be able to read from the bibliography database and has to understand at least parts of the available fields (e.g. author and year to enable author-year style citations). Based on this it should be easy to only output some of the fields (e.g. only author). > For my part, it seems like the convenience is not worth the effort > that would be required to make the exporter handle these correctly > in general. (For example, it seems the exporter would then have to > worry about things like quoting and emphasizing document titles -- > which means worrying about context, document type, locale and > language, quotation styles, etc.) Does the exporter really habe to worry about these things? But anyway: Some tool is needed to generate the bibliography with all its data - this tool has to handle all these details and therefore it should be not too hard to get partial data from it. BTW: I don't think any special formatting should be required - ASCII or even HTML would never look the same as a LaTeX generated PDF. So minor drawbacks are IMHO not as important as to be able to express important details in the source. I think, the syntax should be quite flexible (at least easy to extend, with compact, nice looking extension-syntax). If some backend lacks support for some feature, maybe someone finds the time to fix it (and then org-mode would rule the world :)). Otherwise a simple fallback (default citation style, output citation string unchanged,...) will be used. -- Until the next mail..., Stefan.