From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Stefan Nobis Subject: Re: Citations, continued Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 17:44:31 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87vbjmn6wy.fsf@berkeley.edu> <54d04780.cb58460a.5243.2603@mx.google.com> <87h9v3li8t.fsf@berkeley.edu> <54d078ff.b044440a.06ec.3cf6@mx.google.com> <87d25rkmag.fsf@berkeley.edu> <54d1bc7b.c57d440a.3c5d.2dca@mx.google.com> <87vbjh284z.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87mw4tk4m7.fsf@berkeley.edu> <87oap7z664.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87fvaibr3k.fsf@berkeley.edu> <87y4o9s5qc.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87d25kpxap.fsf@pank.eu> <87k2zsso3w.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87vbjcoewx.fsf@gmx.us> <87bnl4shqg.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87h9uwwmgt.fsf@gmx.us> <87zj8oqqtz.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87386eywus.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87r3tydswi.fsf@gmx.us> <861tlxn3c5.fsf@berkeley.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40298) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLDvX-0001aB-IK for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 11:44:44 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLDvT-00029z-Bp for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 11:44:43 -0500 Received: from basilikum.nobis-admin.de ([89.238.71.130]:38328) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLDvT-00029O-2v for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 11:44:39 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by basilikum.nobis-admin.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD5AF7E37DC for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 17:44:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from basilikum.nobis-admin.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (basilikum.nobis-admin.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BE5mkZdgo7rB for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 17:44:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from karotte.fritz.box (f049246002.adsl.alicedsl.de [78.49.246.2]) by basilikum.nobis-admin.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 17:44:32 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <861tlxn3c5.fsf@berkeley.edu> (Richard Lawrence's message of "Tue, 10 Feb 2015 08:22:50 -0800") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Richard Lawrence writes: > Rasmus writes: >> Citation types for extracting parts: >> citeauthor, citetitle, citeyear, citedate, citeurl, > As I've said in other posts, I think maybe we should not think of > these as `citation' commands and thus don't need to represent them > in citation syntax. Instead I suggest we give authors tools to > insert this information into documents directly. This would render changes quite hard. Maybe I misspelled something in the database or I choosed the wrong reference: With above part extractors all I have to do at most is to replace the @key. But if data is copied verbatim, I have to search for all years, author names, titles, urls etc. Very error prone. I think, even citeauthor or citeurl are citations. A normal "\cite" command is nothing else than a short reference to all the detail data in the bibliography. And sometimes context allows to make these references even shorter, by only using the author name or a year etc. I don't really see the distinction between citation and indirection - each citation is as much an indirection as e.g. citeyear is. -- Until the next mail..., Stefan.