From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: tsd@tsdye.com (Thomas S. Dye) Subject: Re: Org-mode as a replacement for LaTeX Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:07:44 -1000 Message-ID: References: <87zkl1tv44.fsf@gnu.org> <2011-06-29T22-26-24@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> <996130F9-9522-4C0C-923B-A3569336F688@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:44716) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QgiJL-0005VE-RU for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 15:08:04 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QgiJG-0004Fs-Km for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 15:07:59 -0400 Received: from oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com ([67.222.55.9]:47612) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QgiJG-0004FO-3i for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 15:07:54 -0400 In-Reply-To: <996130F9-9522-4C0C-923B-A3569336F688@gmail.com> (Carsten Dominik's message of "Thu, 30 Jun 2011 19:04:55 +0200") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Carsten Dominik Cc: news1142@Karl-Voit.at, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Carsten Dominik writes: > On 30.6.2011, at 08:35, Thomas S. Dye wrote: > >> Aloha Karl, >> >> I agree that AucTeX is awesome. I use it every day at work with much >> pleasure. >> >> I've been using Org-mode with the goal of creating reproducible >> research, where the LaTeX output is just one part of the package. In my >> case, this is something that requires Org-mode for its ability to pass >> results between code blocks written in different languages. I can't do >> these things in AucTeX. >> >> At first, like you, I was suspicious of adding a layer between me and >> LaTeX. I was impatient with figuring out how to make the little things >> work right. I'm still not able to control LaTeX as finely as I'd like >> from within Org-mode, but I've managed to close the gap sufficiently >> that my last four publications were authored completely with Org-mode. > > Are these publicly accessible? I think that would be a great advertisement > for Org as a publishing environment if you could link to source and paper.... > > - Carsten Aloha Carsten, The first of what I hope will be three public reproducible research papers written in Org-mode is now at https://tsdye@github.com/tsdye/hawaii-colonization.git This is a fairly simple example. The Org-mode file depends only on R source code blocks. The same paper probably could have been implemented in Sweave (which I haven't used). Much of the analysis was carried out with a web-based software tool for calibrating radiocarbon dates called BCal. BCal lacks a batch mode facility and can't be called directly from the Org-mode file, AFAIK. The maintainers of the BCal software came up with a way to share my BCal project files, so my archaeological colleagues have access to all my work. BCal output is included in the git repo as csv files. I've pushed up an entry on Worg, which should appear the next time Worg is updated http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/babel/uses.html Most of the RR framework for this project (README, Makfile, etc.) is a "port" of materials developed by Eric Schulte, who graciously reviewed my work (and discovered errors and omissions). I'll be happy for comments from the Org-mode community. I'm interested to see how fully it is possible to realize the potential of reproducible research (and believe very strongly that Org-mode is the best way to do so). All the best, Tom > >> The one I'm working on now is Org-mode, too. I'm really liking it as > > >> an >> authoring environment. >> >> All the best, >> Tom >> >> >> Karl Voit writes: >> >>> * Thomas S. Dye wrote: >>>> Aloha Rafael, >>> >>> Sorry, I thought you might as well be interested in my point of >>> view. >>> >>> First: I am pretty new to Org-mode but I am using LaTeX a while now >>> and I am even teaching LaTeX to motivated beginners. >>> >>>> Is there a reason not to have everything in one .org file? I find >>>> Org-mode's ability to fold on headlines and to edit subtrees in indirect >>>> buffers very convenient, even for long documents. For my work, that >>>> functionality has replaced LaTeX \include files. >>> >>> I did not follow the thread here but I do think I get the idea that >>> you want to replace LaTeX with Org-mode and generate a PDF via >>> LaTeX/PDF-export functionality of Org-mode. >>> >>> On the one hand, I do agree that (simple) PDF documents are written >>> very easily with Org-mode. But on the other hand you are going to >>> add just another layer. This means that you probably end up wanting >>> this LaTeX feature in Org-mode, that other handy LaTeX feature too >>> and so forth. >>> >>> In my point of view, if you leave the basic stuff, you should stick >>> to LaTeX. And I do have good news to you: You are very fortune >>> because Emacs does have the IMHO most advanced editor support for >>> LaTeX: AucTeX (with all of its extensions like preview-latex and >>> RefTeX). >>> >>> I plan to use Org-mode as an outline tool for larger documents, >>> where the basic structure evolves, keywords are moved from one part >>> to the other. But before I start to write the detailed document >>> content, I move to AucTeX, having the great possibilities for >>> writing documents that end up being great PDFs. >>> >>> But this is just my point of view. >> >> -- >> Thomas S. Dye >> http://www.tsdye.com >> > > -- Thomas S. Dye http://www.tsdye.com