* Video showing Jambunathan's ODT exporter
@ 2011-11-03 19:57 Herbert Sitz
2011-11-03 20:22 ` Christian Moe
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From: Herbert Sitz @ 2011-11-03 19:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Last week I finally got around to testing the export to ODT that Jambunathan's
made available. Here's a 3 minute video showing how it works (calling odt
export from a document open in VimOrganizer):
http://vimeo.com/31564708
This is some seriously cool functionality for Org that deserves wider exposure.
Jambunathan's done a great job.
It's obviously not for everyone; I'm sure some Org users have no need for
documents in a word processor and steer as far away as possible. Others may
love it, though, and it could potentially bring more users to Org community.
I've seen comments about an ODT import that I haven't had a chance to look
into yet.
Cheers,
Herb
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* Re: Video showing Jambunathan's ODT exporter
2011-11-03 19:57 Video showing Jambunathan's ODT exporter Herbert Sitz
@ 2011-11-03 20:22 ` Christian Moe
2011-11-04 1:11 ` Rasmus
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From: Christian Moe @ 2011-11-03 20:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Herbert Sitz; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
On 11/3/11 8:57 PM, Herbert Sitz wrote:
> This is some seriously cool functionality for Org that deserves wider exposure.
> Jambunathan's done a great job.
+1
Christian
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* Re: Video showing Jambunathan's ODT exporter
2011-11-03 19:57 Video showing Jambunathan's ODT exporter Herbert Sitz
2011-11-03 20:22 ` Christian Moe
@ 2011-11-04 1:11 ` Rasmus
2011-11-04 5:04 ` Thomas S. Dye
2011-11-04 8:02 ` Torsten Wagner
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From: Rasmus @ 2011-11-04 1:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Herbert Sitz; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
Herbert Sitz <hesitz@gmail.com> writes:
> Here's a 3 minute video showing how it works (calling odt export from
> a document open in VimOrganizer): http://vimeo.com/31564708
Thanks, it is a nice video. You should add it to the Worg.
> This is some seriously cool functionality for Org that deserves wider
> exposure. Jambunathan's done a great job.
Very much so.
–Rasmus
--
Sent from my Emacs
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* Re: Video showing Jambunathan's ODT exporter
2011-11-03 19:57 Video showing Jambunathan's ODT exporter Herbert Sitz
2011-11-03 20:22 ` Christian Moe
2011-11-04 1:11 ` Rasmus
@ 2011-11-04 5:04 ` Thomas S. Dye
2011-11-04 8:02 ` Torsten Wagner
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From: Thomas S. Dye @ 2011-11-04 5:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Herbert Sitz; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
Herbert Sitz <hesitz@gmail.com> writes:
> Last week I finally got around to testing the export to ODT that Jambunathan's
> made available. Here's a 3 minute video showing how it works (calling odt
> export from a document open in VimOrganizer):
> http://vimeo.com/31564708
>
> This is some seriously cool functionality for Org that deserves wider exposure.
> Jambunathan's done a great job.
>
> It's obviously not for everyone; I'm sure some Org users have no need for
> documents in a word processor and steer as far away as possible. Others may
> love it, though, and it could potentially bring more users to Org community.
>
> I've seen comments about an ODT import that I haven't had a chance to look
> into yet.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Herb
Wow. The translation into ODT looks terrific.
All the best,
Tom
--
Thomas S. Dye
http://www.tsdye.com
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* Re: Video showing Jambunathan's ODT exporter
2011-11-03 19:57 Video showing Jambunathan's ODT exporter Herbert Sitz
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2011-11-04 5:04 ` Thomas S. Dye
@ 2011-11-04 8:02 ` Torsten Wagner
2011-11-04 15:56 ` Herbert Sitz
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From: Torsten Wagner @ 2011-11-04 8:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Herbert Sitz; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
Hi,
> This is some seriously cool functionality for Org that deserves wider exposure.
> Jambunathan's done a great job.
Yep I tried it a few days ago and the results were nearly perfect.
> It's obviously not for everyone; I'm sure some Org users have no need for
> documents in a word processor and steer as far away as possible. Others may
> love it, though, and it could potentially bring more users to Org community.
Well it becomes particular important if it comes to collaboration with
MS-Office people. I can write my stuff in org and make a LaTeX export
for the final submission, however, I can send co-authors ODT (and by
resaving doc) formats to allow them to make changes and comments to the
manuscript.
> I've seen comments about an ODT import that I haven't had a chance to look
> into yet.
>
Well this is the exact point which is missing now. For now, I open the
resubmitted modified ODT version on my PC and make all changes
accordingly in my org-file. Thanks to a dual screen set-up it is rather
ok. However, still very error prone.
Having the possibility to re-import the ODT-file into org and make a
kind of diff which I simply step through and either agree or disagree
would be perfect. Emacs already has diff functionallity. What would be
needed is a way to re-import the ODT-file in a as much as possible exact
way like it was originally.
The ODF format is open and I wonder whether there is some kind of
metadata tag, which could be used to save the org-mode stuff directly
beside the odt text stuff... this would allow to restore the org-mode
file rather efficiently.
Pseudo code:
<metadata> *** DONE This is a subsubsub-header :COAUTHOR: <\metadata>
<>
> Cheers,
>
> Herb
>
>
>
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* Re: Video showing Jambunathan's ODT exporter
2011-11-04 8:02 ` Torsten Wagner
@ 2011-11-04 15:56 ` Herbert Sitz
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From: Herbert Sitz @ 2011-11-04 15:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Torsten Wagner <torsten.wagner <at> gmail.com> writes:
>
> > It's obviously not for everyone; I'm sure some Org users have no need for
> > documents in a word processor and steer as far away as possible. Others may
> > love it, though, and it could potentially bring more users to Org community.
>
> Well it becomes particular important if it comes to collaboration with
> MS-Office people. I can write my stuff in org and make a LaTeX export
> for the final submission, however, I can send co-authors ODT (and by
> resaving doc) formats to allow them to make changes and comments to the
> manuscript.
Great point. On related note, did you see the tweak Jambunathan
added a week or so ago to translate "note blocks" in Org into
author-attributed comment bubbles in Word/LibreOffice:
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/48585
Another benefit I just thought about with to exporting to ODT is the
power it gives users to modify document formats. LaTeX is amazing,
but it's not something where the average user is going to be able
to tweak the output very easily. Word/LibreOffice, on the other
hand, allow the average user to tweak formatting fairly easily, either
after export by changing styles directly in the document, or (I assume)
before export by changing the styles that are used by Jambunathan's
exporter. Though I must say the formatting he's using right now seems
very good. I particularly like the way section headings have slightly
more whitespace above than they do below, makes for nice connection
of headings to their text, which if I recall is a touch that's not
done as nicely in many LaTeX classes.
>
> Having the possibility to re-import the ODT-file into org and make a
> kind of diff which I simply step through and either agree or disagree
> would be perfect. Emacs already has diff functionallity. What would be
> needed is a way to re-import the ODT-file in a as much as possible exact
> way like it was originally.
> The ODF format is open and I wonder whether there is some kind of
> metadata tag, which could be used to save the org-mode stuff directly
> beside the odt text stuff... this would allow to restore the org-mode
> file rather efficiently.
That could be sort of a "holy grail" type of workflow, seamless export
out and import back in from MS Word. I know Org's exports to other
formats are also amazing, but the export to MS Word seems somehow
more "magic". I think it's because I'm a relative old-time and still
think of Word as being monstrosity from the days of proprietary
binary formats. Now with ODT support it's (almost) like making it
part of the plain-text crowd.
Regards,
Herb
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