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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1671028751; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=6g+CFC3H7kM3trQH68nH5oBI6qHipimIGNivLUl3HrE=; b=m9++ZvwGjCPfA5Ezulab3wDCj6QemxuEMPMaXfqJTSb3IGRgDyF4uL29u8Of9JN8nBHtEt cqqbHsw6kqjA6xun9T/RF2PsidKXDtxmAupc75wK92Opxc2dpZRnD59cX/9gsdTi9zgUkU tA/pxvmflfLkAIubQ9CimxXuIDgxZzDUO0/Nc4wmOq56W/GMB0VCGsA97c3f8Ej8q4PJMK WvHDLpLEkOrpWdJM6caWBswy0SNCpSzOvtHCwr0qV5Gjv+57yTAJwwNz2fFelYny2V43DX /tEkLJw2w2Dv+voWEzrGtr6uvx+PiDSHAinmKYTsjTrO3pB+iQRq41fA/uaSaw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=iro.umontreal.ca header.s=mail header.b=HTbQkdBz; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org"; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=iro.umontreal.ca ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1671028751; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=ESLC+0dTXaBT7ov+JgshbsPbd4lVNVARp/HDm7e4dBib1g0ti1Tq0oy0uAt+9+uhbcR/Xs /DsnI/M+xDHidjjHLf1JujLjqoo4XqcSLNUWtUaEIbc9Tkqlbsf6Vu8EzQ0dyDLWWUgIeW txju4VcGwSIln5v8Vqqg/xwSHhK5DKkQLp0HJO3jD+5ZjqJoFW8yXrNqaN91TFdTriMNOG yVPAqOnmY9QVdYe2EfT/4Xzr2C2fUHaLwLzOSIN3V5+D2zvlTbg4Ecxcv42IU+JymLZM/Q COSPbz60+Qf9JELyPFM4l6nQhezFX1dgHSqFabB8KsJgRV8MFEMcZAotfXSc8w== X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -7.44 X-Spam-Score: -7.44 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 310D613321 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=iro.umontreal.ca header.s=mail header.b=HTbQkdBz; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org"; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=iro.umontreal.ca X-TUID: 89zGHvtEmlvw >> On a related note, is it normal that package like org-mouse.el gets >> loaded upon calling C-h f org-mouse- completion prompt? Yes. See `help-enable-completion-autoload`. >> I am asking because org-mouse.el advises some functions and its loading >> may cause unexpected consequences. See >> https://orgmode.org/list/87r0x6sju1.fsf@fastmail.fm > I think org-mouse.el should be fixed not to cause such effects just by > loading it. It should do that only when it is actually used. Exactly. Merely loading a file should not affect Emacs's behavior in any significant way. Stefan