From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Jeff Mickey" Subject: Re: How you can help Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:02:46 -0400 Message-ID: References: <967CE7ED-05E9-4031-9F3B-CFB826511554@alexanderonline.org> <87ljwfbdga.fsf@kassiopeya.MSHEIMNETZ> <752DA813-1B66-4FD1-B28E-3C23176BA13D@alexanderonline.org> <87r6679t1t.fsf@kassiopeya.MSHEIMNETZ> <4A07BAD9-7045-4A42-BEAE-CD67DD491E61@alexanderonline.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KtRvu-00084s-5H for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:02:50 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KtRvs-00084e-8P for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:02:49 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=51287 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KtRvs-00084b-2g for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:02:48 -0400 Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com ([209.85.200.170]:29972) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KtRvr-0007IT-Fc for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:02:47 -0400 Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so992077wfc.24 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 12:02:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Content-Disposition: inline List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Avdi Grimm Cc: Ben Alexander , emacs-orgmode Org-Mode On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 14:44, Avdi Grimm wrote: > For the record, I normally would never expect the user to submit > tests. A description of the problem and some sample data is all I > expect. Writing the a test to reproduce the behavior is the > programmer's responsibility as far as I'm concerned. That's the best part of open source software! A surprising amount of the time, the user IS a programmer, and thus is able to provide tests. And it's not that we should require anyone to provide tests before they report a bug, but they should be required to outline the steps to reproduce the behavior, so any programmer could take 5 minutes and quickly whip up a test. ps: I almost have a baby ert framework for org-mode. It doesn't do anything yet, but the design is you write a test, and add it to the org-test-hook to be run by org-test-all. -- . : [ + carpe diem totus tuus + ] : .