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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1675330700; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=hHKw08wGRJMx55prtfIi3nR8/gXev6Fku3DRi9aEg5GLkEwBwViwMvJkSUN8R3XLPrF2lL qn6b+s0waQpCdat+YE4IH3l+8biRzTVlbeIaREBq2fKmb0FSUzTDIQNhH190C2gHaw4Vrk cuAwWIawTB3+w4Jivn932yf1c2a50b6XDyulKZC7j9Nu9eVQgdLenz7QKqWv13uSC62qYL Q+XQv3SX6sX5yHVDryVSupIahoWikQyQg0LGS58LDcmUIdAxZrxBxbeBnnn6LJ48BvSv2R P04gPZjiavJI5KMA58Ys2HCDZaKT7g8hTsVBeGY4o3/HnVBe1L2D6A0uA7FaCg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmx.at header.s=s31663417 header.b="MkT/NFlg"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmx.at; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1675330700; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=jS9V1bKUPWOfbkyIhxqL8dikghpGClJDTmRTR8Itky8=; b=ekRtoksS/ij+eU/coIyagi7pHZ1e/D7wyxsGgyzWyH6Pboyma0A5if4oYzQdFr87T7BBNH JbD8QeZCg3mRbrUvlJOw/drkO+0PG1Tmbj7y0lc/QEi+LYH1f+wA6/S9SPvcTVKS5AKlmw 2A9P98lT0TYL79cTIRgDFtvWxcJPpr1xVVytfpPUJSyuxUS+/Vu7S5dC8f1/JgeOsJfSLJ pSiTPYIq2x16PUAX2r81uyVHxHHBxx4Ie0q+lcInFnT+iLJZPxsOQpbkaeoVB8PAutm4Jm yRhb1LZxy29xADFlyXcKIO4/fDPncCyF9gL4tTg7gMxh4Y9fCUb8WLiV7Ztk2Q== X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -8.22 X-Spam-Score: -8.22 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 5873047818 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmx.at header.s=s31663417 header.b="MkT/NFlg"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmx.at; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-TUID: qSIxR3BH1L67 tomas@tuxteam.de wrote/hat geschrieben on/am 02.02.2023 09:33: > On Thu, Feb 02, 2023 at 08:45:51AM +0100, Heinz Tuechler wrote: >> Max Nikulin wrote/hat geschrieben on/am 02.02.2023 04:22: >>> On 02/02/2023 04:57, Heinz Tuechler wrote: >>>> My impression is that many of non experts like me don't >>>> know in which time zone they are living. >>> >>> For you own time zone: Open Development tools in a browser ([F12]), >>> switch to console, type >>> >>> new Intl.DateTimeFormat().resolvedOptions().timeZone >>> >> >> Thank you, Max. >> It seems to me that this shows the time zone I selected at set up of the >> computer, in my case Europe/Berlin. Using package lutz in R with correct >> coordinates I see Europe/Vienna, based on open street map. >> Days ago I did not even know that Berlin and Vienna are in different >> time zones. > > Vienna is special :) Not sure, in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tz_database_time_zones Europe/Vienna is listed as a canonical TZ database name. > > But no: there's no /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Vienna. I think what you > are seeing is just a trick to improve "User Experience". > Searching for /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Vienna with startpage.com I see it e.g. in https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/all/tzdata/filelist or https://www.apt-browse.org/browse/debian/wheezy/main/all/tzdata/2016d-0+deb7u1/file/usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe > Cheers >