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Then, you can use Termux to ssh into a local or cloud VPS file server where you're hosting your .org files. Most people even use Dropbox (or SyncThing, whatever floats your boat). Worst case scenario, you can maybe just run a terminal version of Emacs on the rooted Android phone (or even your current non-rooted phone), and clock in like that. If you're on iOS though... well... maybe its time to get out of the walled garden? * * *"Just Use A Laptop" Option:* I'd say maybe just get a laptop, put some decent Linux distro on it, and use Emacs on that instead. Worst case scenario, you can maybe just run a terminal version of Emacs on the rooted Android phone, and clock in like that. *Bash Script Approach:* The only other thing I could think of is to do this via an easy Bash prompt to find the same files on the ssh machine. This might be preposterous to those on the list that might want to use Elisp for everything, but maybe its on a device where a Linux Bash terminal just is present by default. *"Just Log The Time Later" Approach:* You could always even just make org capture templates to estimate time later too. *Summed Up:* The most sane approach in my opinion, is just use a computer that can normally just use Emacs as-is. Then again, this is coming from someone who respects the "Getting Things Done" method a ton, but doesn't clock in every single personal task, because I think its really unnecessary and tedious. I think this kind of clocking ideas are better suited for work based todo lists if you're trying to get things done for work or something. I've seen the Android apps for Emacs Org Mode demo'd on YouTube, and it looks clunky. Its nice for what it is, but yeah, I think Emacs overall is just better suited for a laptop or desktop computer since you really need to just use a keyboard to pull off most of the magic. Good luck with this though, Sam On Thu, Nov 25, 2021, at 3:43 PM, Marcin Borkowski wrote: > > On 2021-11-24, at 15:30, Daniel Baker wrote: > > > Oops. I'm sorry, I forgot to include the link. That would be for orgzly. > > > > https://github.com/orgzly/orgzly-android/pull/691 > > Thanks! > > Although, after some thinking, I'm a bit afraid of using this, for the > simple reason: I don't consider data on my phone "safe" (it's much > easier to lose a phone than a computer - or to have it stolen), so I'd > prefer not to put my Org files there... > > I think I have an idea for a solution - but thanks anyway! > > Best, > > -- > Marcin Borkowski > http://mbork.pl > > --dfcbda4635b4490db34d47e57552e89f Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey Marcin,
=

There are a few options that exist, so I'm goi= ng to drop a few ideas in this email.

"B= uy A Rooted Phone" Option:
Why not just get a rooted A= ndroid phone with Replicant on it from eBay in the first place?

Then, you can use Termux to ssh into a local or clo= ud VPS file server where you're hosting your .org files. Most people eve= n use Dropbox (or SyncThing, whatever floats your boat).
<= br>
Worst case scenario, you can maybe just run a terminal ver= sion of Emacs on the rooted Android phone (or even your current non-root= ed phone), and clock in like that.

If you'r= e on iOS though... well... maybe its time to get out of the walled garde= n?

"Just Use A Laptop" Option:
I'd say maybe just get a laptop, put some decent Linux d= istro on it, and use Emacs on that instead.

Worst case scenario, you can maybe just run a terminal version of Emacs= on the rooted Android phone, and clock in like that.

=
Bash Script Approach:
The only other thi= ng I could think of is to do this via an easy Bash prompt to find the sa= me files on the ssh machine. This might be preposterous to those on the = list that might want to use Elisp for everything, but maybe its on a dev= ice where a Linux Bash terminal just is present by default.

"Just Log The Time Later" Approach:
You could always even just make org capture templates to estimate time= later too.

Summed Up:
The= most sane approach in my opinion, is just use a computer that can norma= lly just use Emacs as-is. 

Then again,= this is coming from someone who respects the "Getting Things Done" meth= od a ton, but doesn't clock in every single personal task, because I thi= nk its really unnecessary and tedious. I think this kind of clocking ide= as are better suited for work based todo lists if you're trying to get t= hings done for work or something.

I've seen= the Android apps for Emacs Org Mode demo'd on YouTube, and it looks clu= nky. Its nice for what it is, but yeah, I think Emacs overall is just be= tter suited for a laptop or desktop computer since you really need to ju= st use a keyboard to pull off most of the magic.

Good luck with this though,

Sam

On Thu, Nov 25, 2021, at 3:43 PM, Marcin Borkows= ki wrote:
<= br>
On 2021-11-24, at 15:30, Daniel Baker <bakerdude@gmail.com> wrote:
=
> Oops.  I'm sorry, I forgot to include the link.= That would be for orgzly.
>
> https://gith= ub.com/orgzly/orgzly-android/pull/691

T= hanks!

Although, after some thinking, I'm a= bit afraid of using this, for the
simple reason: I don't = consider data on my phone "safe" (it's much
easier to lose= a phone than a computer - or to have it stolen), so I'd
p= refer not to put my Org files there...

I th= ink I have an idea for a solution - but thanks anyway!
Best,

-- 
Ma= rcin Borkowski



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