From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Scot Becker Subject: Re: Writing a dissertation using org-mode Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 09:51:56 +0000 Message-ID: References: <87vddcu22l.fsf@belvoir.org> <4B8F462D.1090702@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0175942299==" Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Nn7jB-00048u-I2 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 04:52:21 -0500 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=33751 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nn7j9-00047I-AC for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 04:52:20 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nn7j8-0000iF-G0 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 04:52:19 -0500 Received: from mail-pw0-f41.google.com ([209.85.160.41]:58676) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nn7j8-0000i7-76 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 04:52:18 -0500 Received: by pwj9 with SMTP id 9so1641015pwj.0 for ; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 01:52:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B8F462D.1090702@gmail.com> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Torsten Wagner Cc: emacs-orgmode --===============0175942299== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd11250cb993f0480f68d59 --000e0cd11250cb993f0480f68d59 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Henri-Paul, I'm doing the same, with basically the same setup, but using biblatex, and Zotero, but planning to give Mendeley a serious test for PDF management. (And yes there are still problems and repeated manual tweaking associated with using Zotero + bibtex. The export is just not bibtex-y enough). It remains to be seen whether I'll wish I had worked in pure LaTeX at the end. It's true that I have run into occaisional problems with the latex conversion. Sometimes things like quotes (") and italics next to each other can conflict. (I haven't done recent tests to see if I still have these problems). But the org-mode community has seemed pretty wiling to help navigate, fix or work around these problems. Still, I like the outlinability the oversee-ability of keeping all my work in org-mode, as well as the ability to use comments and "inline" TODOs. (they're not really inline, but they are independant of the outline structure.) And I figure when the thing is nearing its final form, I'll nix org if I have to and just work in the exportd LaTeX. My next small project is finding a way to make my thesis.org file keep a standard header outline (where the '** Headlines" hold the text that will eventually head the chapters, sections and subsections), and also an outline of my argument, which won't be printed, but is more useful for the writing process. I've tried a few things but have not settled on anything yet. Keep well, Scot On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 5:33 AM, Torsten Wagner wrote: > Dear Henri, > > > On 03/04/2010 01:45 PM, Henri-Paul Indiogine wrote: > >> I started writing my doctoral dissertation in history using org-mode. I >> am also using git.el for my version control and gnus for my email. Of >> course I export my org file to LaTeX which I compile to pdf. My >> bibliography is managed using BibTeX. >> > > please consider that you might have to follow a very stricy layout style > depening on your university, department, lab or supervisor. If your are > lucky there will be a LaTeX template somewhere at your university. If you > are unlucky there is nothing like that or even worse only a MS-word > template. > > I'm not sure how good org-mode might be usable in that case. org-mode is > really great and I try to use it for many purposes. However, for a thesis I > would use directly LaTeX which gives me a bit more control of what is going > on. > > Furthermore, try biber [1] and biblatex [2]... the somehow next generation > of bibtex and bib-file compatible. For me they work very well already > despite of the fact that they are still beta-versions. biblatex gives you > much more freedom of formatting your citations and bibliography... I guess > both highly needed in your scientific field. > > Good luck > > Torsten > > [1] http://biblatex-biber.sourceforge.net/ > [2] http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/help/Catalogue/entries/biblatex.html > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > --000e0cd11250cb993f0480f68d59 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Henri-Paul,

I'm doing the same, with basically the same setup, b= ut using biblatex, and Zotero, but planning to give Mendeley a serious test= for PDF management. (And yes there are still problems and repeated manual = tweaking associated with using Zotero + bibtex.=A0 The export is just not b= ibtex-y enough). =A0 It remains to be seen whether I'll wish I had work= ed in pure LaTeX at the end.=A0 It's true that I have run into occaisio= nal problems with the latex conversion.=A0 Sometimes things like quotes (&q= uot;) and italics next to each other can conflict.=A0 (I haven't done r= ecent tests to see if I still have these problems). But the org-mode commun= ity has seemed pretty wiling to help navigate, fix or work around these pro= blems.=A0=A0

Still, I like the outlinability the oversee-ability of keeping all my w= ork in org-mode, as well as the ability to use comments and "inline&qu= ot; TODOs.=A0 (they're not really inline, but they are independant of t= he outline structure.)=A0 And I figure when the thing is nearing its final = form, I'll nix org if I have to and just work in the exportd LaTeX.
My next small project is finding a way to make my thesis.org file keep a standard header outline (where the '= ;** Headlines" hold the text that will eventually head the chapters, s= ections and subsections), and also an outline of my argument, which won'= ;t be printed, but is more useful for the writing process. I've tried a= few things but have not settled on anything yet.

Keep well,

Scot


On Thu, Ma= r 4, 2010 at 5:33 AM, Torsten Wagner <torsten.wagner@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>
Dear Henri,


On 03/04/2010 01:45 PM, Henri-Paul Indiogine wrote:
I started writing my doctoral dissertation in history using org-mode. I
am also using git.el for my version control and gnus for my email. Of
course I export my org file to LaTeX which I compile to pdf. =A0My
bibliography is managed using BibTeX.

please consider that you might have to follow a very stricy layout style de= pening on your university, department, lab or supervisor. If your are lucky= there will be a LaTeX template somewhere at your university. If you are un= lucky there is nothing like that or even worse only a MS-word template.

I'm not sure how good org-mode might be usable in that case. org-mode i= s really great and I try to use it for many purposes. However, for a thesis= I would use directly LaTeX which gives me a bit more control of what is go= ing on.

Furthermore, try biber [1] and biblatex [2]... the somehow next generation = of bibtex and bib-file compatible. For me they work very well already despi= te of the fact that they are still beta-versions. biblatex gives you much m= ore freedom of formatting your citations and bibliography... I guess both h= ighly needed in your scientific field.

Good luck

Torsten

[1] ht= tp://biblatex-biber.sourceforge.net/
[2] http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/help/Catalogue/= entries/biblatex.html








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