From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Scot Becker Subject: Re: Re: footnote renumber bug Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 09:36:31 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4A4C59EE.9020602@online.de> <4A4C9DA8.1010502@gmx.de> <4A4CB3B4.3010405@easy-emacs.de> <87ab3ngk6w.fsf@fastmail.fm> <4A4D13E2.5060707@easy-emacs.de> <874otuwy3l.fsf@fastmail.fm> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MMeG6-0004WQ-KA for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 04:36:38 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MMeG2-0004SW-UB for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 04:36:38 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=47946 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MMeG2-0004SH-KI for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 04:36:34 -0400 Received: from mail-bw0-f210.google.com ([209.85.218.210]:49734) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MMeG2-0007AQ-4d for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 04:36:34 -0400 Received: by bwz6 with SMTP id 6so873218bwz.42 for ; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 01:36:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <874otuwy3l.fsf@fastmail.fm> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Matthew Lundin Cc: emacs org-mode mailing list Matthew, No apologies needed. A good explanation like yours is a valuable thing to have sitting in the mailing list archive (and perhaps even in a more formal spot, in the Worg article: "Academic writing with Org," which I will someday help you write.) Scot On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 10:53 PM, Matthew Lundin wrote: > Hi Andreas, > > Andreas R=F6hler writes: > >> Matthew Lundin wrote: >>> Footnote.el, by contrast, was designed for short email messages in whic= h >>> there is no distinction between source text and exported text. Though i= t >>> serves this limited purpose admirably, it offers only a very rudimentar= y >>> numbering system rather than a complete markup solution. For any comple= x >>> writing (e.g., a research paper with dozens of footnotes), footnote.el >>> is well-nigh impossible to use. There are simply too many chances of >>> broken or mixed up links. >>> >> >> Ignoring the guts of org-modes footnote implementation, just my impressi= on >> of footnote.el: >> >> it's fine by architecture and --if patched-- well capable for all things >> you want to do with footnotes. >> Can't see any limitation concerning larger texts. >> It simply wasn't --or isn't-- written to the end. > > Thanks for the clarification. Reading over my email, I believe I may > stated some conclusions about footnote.el too strongly. What I should > have said is that *in my own experience* I have found footnote.el > difficult to use (in its pre-patched form, of course). > > Try as I might, I could never get Footnote-renumber-footnotes to do > anything. And if I moved any footnotes in the original text, deleted > them manually, or reopened a document with footnotes, > Footnote-add-footnote behaved unpredictably, creating duplicate numbers, > skipping numbers, putting footnotes in the wrong order, placing > footnotes randomly above and below the "Footnotes:" line, etc. > > Very likely, my issues with footnote.el were due to my own lack of > understanding of its mechanics, and I can see how your patch fixes > things up quite a bit. It will be a really nice contribution to emacs if > footnote.el is fixed, since modes such as Muse rely on it. > > Also, my apologies for a somewhat wordy defense of org-footnote. I wrote > it only because I am a very big fan. :) > > Regards, > Matt > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode >