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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1674731194; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=uy5qhJTnz4zP4UVAQzG24hJojzkQonwB+sgE9kLBhLBGzhKrLgWo+dT4J9wbwiW8NvrKBa wuVwP/8ex1LBrBsSXP9jg/Gab34UWEwYzGbZcidyRc+chhtd1PE2SToTzPGCEo0i3Flv5W /dl1l4ODFfscjgkkMTX0vx0lvTZicfN1us1ScQ/cV0nsvGEbuRi2qgaiytitKOaL3jwNDv O3E1nA77WhgTLBgKYhdw1/9NVACjUCMEozt2q/ZMzpi3mc5VteXtu43zahR/9W6C4TGFDs /OaXYTWXAEdF7aJzaIaGqGd/hsxUzYDS2nHcb22sIkrhrpQaAvSUtN6lj4zocA== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1674731194; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=h3kk2Y+zXy8sCKVKIi3L2S3sD/fmlZAg6S8n8M9dPOc=; b=l3u+rLgNIUT+mcuCu6Q0h7MpB+0sNintyQj091il0/Vz0N9GalPZkUohmC+HC5oMZhCC7z vVuXPbz1gDNxaidIYJ7sDyz9PYJDBHgJLrUo53dUVkulUcA1rLWHYDHLAqT/H+ZHgqUp0R rlU9BazKTNyHI5w5RTCcQ0mqcyUFd4jl75+rHWcB0QJ+k5PLYhpGMzfboC4iIaRJq6edQW JJjNsyVbQDVFA4XjpW/c0YcBpsL8ns0n60/S8xE97dEApwoVbL4ZRIEVnDjKHgS9MGf9W6 gwkwZrllqnnuaEsxwZSFED0p7CyllQ7cq0t+9XL3ZZLi/nXDYBlfkwkWBZG+DA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmx.at header.s=s31663417 header.b=FbdyqVzd; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmx.at X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -10.17 X-Spam-Score: -10.17 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 6D7E83A0AA Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmx.at header.s=s31663417 header.b=FbdyqVzd; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmx.at X-TUID: 6zVk726Fguv8 Ihor Radchenko wrote/hat geschrieben on/am 26.01.2023 11:22: > Richard Stallman writes: > >> Ihor Radchenko wrote: >> >> > It is hard to define "well known". For me, oracle and mssql databas= es >> > are well-known (just by company name), while saphana and vertica ar= e >> > not. >> >> I have never heard of saphana or vertica, which suggests that maybe >> this is an issue. However, I don't know the database field, so I >> am the wrong one to judge. > > Would it then make sense to note the reasons why we support one or > another non-free software in a separate file like etc/NON-FREE-SUPPORT? > Non-free software popular now may not be popular in future, and thus it > will become not ethical to support it then. > > Also, what about Emacs supporting MS DOS and old versions of Windows? Do > they still qualify as popular software? > Microsoft would probably appreciate, if only the latest version were supported by free software. best regards, Heinz