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* Bug - all org files open as if visibilty is set to "showeverything"
       [not found] <a0847ce6-74f2-9a79-0de6-a9369f490a83.ref@verizon.net>
@ 2020-05-13 17:17 ` Charles Millar
  2020-05-13 17:58   ` Josiah Schwab
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  0 siblings, 3 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Charles Millar @ 2020-05-13 17:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

Hi,

In the last two or three days, all my org files open as if I have set 
the visibility in every file to

#+STARTUP: showeverything


Org mode version 9.3.6 (release_9.3.6-619-g434940 @ 
/usr/local/share/org-mode/lisp/)
GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build 123, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.20, 
cairo version 1.16.0) of 2020-05-13

As far as I recall, I have not changed any settings in my init or elsewhere.

Charlie Millar


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* Re: Bug - all org files open as if visibilty is set to "showeverything"
  2020-05-13 17:17 ` Bug - all org files open as if visibilty is set to "showeverything" Charles Millar
@ 2020-05-13 17:58   ` Josiah Schwab
  2020-05-13 18:19     ` Charles Millar
  2020-05-13 18:13   ` Nicolas Goaziou
  2020-05-14  0:29   ` Nick Dokos
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Josiah Schwab @ 2020-05-13 17:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Charles Millar; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

> As far as I recall, I have not changed any settings in my init or elsewhere.

The default was changed.  See

https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2020-04/msg00452.html
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2020-05/msg00201.html

Josiah


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* Re: Bug - all org files open as if visibilty is set to "showeverything"
  2020-05-13 17:17 ` Bug - all org files open as if visibilty is set to "showeverything" Charles Millar
  2020-05-13 17:58   ` Josiah Schwab
@ 2020-05-13 18:13   ` Nicolas Goaziou
  2020-05-13 18:28     ` Charles Millar
  2020-05-14  0:29   ` Nick Dokos
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2020-05-13 18:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Charles Millar; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

Hello,

Charles Millar <millarc@verizon.net> writes:

> In the last two or three days, all my org files open as if I have set 
> the visibility in every file to
>
> #+STARTUP: showeverything
>

[...]

> As far as I recall, I have not changed any settings in my init or
> elsewhere.

I changed `org-startup-folded' default value to `showeverything'
yesterday.

You may want to use:

  (setq org-startup-folded t)

to get the old behaviour back.

Regards,

-- 
Nicolas Goaziou


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* Re: Bug - all org files open as if visibilty is set to "showeverything"
  2020-05-13 17:58   ` Josiah Schwab
@ 2020-05-13 18:19     ` Charles Millar
  2020-05-15 20:21       ` Nicolas Goaziou
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Charles Millar @ 2020-05-13 18:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

On 5/13/20 1:58 PM, Josiah Schwab wrote:
>> As far as I recall, I have not changed any settings in my init or elsewhere.
> 
> The default was changed.  See
> 
> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2020-04/msg00452.html
> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2020-05/msg00201.html
> 
> Josiah
> 
> 
Thank you.

I recall seeing these messages, but did not realize that this change was 
going to effect all org files and by default, use lots and lots of space 
when an org file is opened.

As dar as I am concerned,the past default was OK and it took only a 
brief time to learn the past behavior and the visibility settings on a 
per file basis.

I may be only a user but if I had I would have voted no.

Charlie Millar



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* Re: Bug - all org files open as if visibilty is set to "showeverything"
  2020-05-13 18:13   ` Nicolas Goaziou
@ 2020-05-13 18:28     ` Charles Millar
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Charles Millar @ 2020-05-13 18:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

Hoi Nicholas,

On 5/13/20 2:13 PM, Nicolas Goaziou wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Charles Millar <millarc@verizon.net> writes:
> 
>> In the last two or three days, all my org files open as if I have set
>> the visibility in every file to
>>
>> #+STARTUP: showeverything
>>
> 
> [...]
> 
>> As far as I recall, I have not changed any settings in my init or
>> elsewhere.
> 
> I changed `org-startup-folded' default value to `showeverything'
> yesterday.
> 
> You may want to use:
> 
>    (setq org-startup-folded t)
> 
> to get the old behaviour back.

Thanks.

I did that already.

However, I still stand by comments that I forwarded in reply to Josiah's 
response. I do not believe that the original message was clear.

Charlie



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* Re: Bug - all org files open as if visibilty is set to "showeverything"
  2020-05-13 17:17 ` Bug - all org files open as if visibilty is set to "showeverything" Charles Millar
  2020-05-13 17:58   ` Josiah Schwab
  2020-05-13 18:13   ` Nicolas Goaziou
@ 2020-05-14  0:29   ` Nick Dokos
  2020-05-14 12:20     ` Charles Millar
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Nick Dokos @ 2020-05-14  0:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

Charles Millar <millarc@verizon.net> writes:

> Hi,
>
> In the last two or three days, all my org files open as if I have set 
> the visibility in every file to
>
> #+STARTUP: showeverything
>
> Org mode version 9.3.6 (release_9.3.6-619-g434940 @ 
> /usr/local/share/org-mode/lisp/)
> GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build 123, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.20, 
> cairo version 1.16.0) of 2020-05-13
>
> As far as I recall, I have not changed any settings in my init or elsewhere.
>
> Charlie Millar
>
>

That is correct. It's been discussed in the list and Nicolas announced that it's
been merged into master on Tuesday. Look for the thread entitled

   [RFC] Change default value for `org-startup-folded'?

It can also be found at <http://lists.gnu.org/r/emacs-orgmode/2020-04/msg00452.html>

C-h v org-startup-folded RET

You can get the previous default by setting it to t in your init file.

-- 
Nick

"There are only two hard problems in computer science: cache
invalidation, naming things, and off-by-one errors." -Martin Fowler



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* Re: Bug - all org files open as if visibilty is set to "showeverything"
  2020-05-14  0:29   ` Nick Dokos
@ 2020-05-14 12:20     ` Charles Millar
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Charles Millar @ 2020-05-14 12:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

Nicholas,
-- cut --

> That is correct. It's been discussed in the list and Nicolas announced that it's
> been merged into master on Tuesday. Look for the thread entitled
> 
>     [RFC] Change default value for `org-startup-folded'?
> 
> It can also be found at <http://lists.gnu.org/r/emacs-orgmode/2020-04/msg00452.html>
> 
> C-h v org-startup-folded RET
> 
> You can get the previous default by setting it to t in your init file.
> 

Thanks.

Before posting I searched the list and did not find the thread or, more 
likely, it was included in the search results and did not realize it.

Charlie


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* Re: Bug - all org files open as if visibilty is set to "showeverything"
  2020-05-13 18:19     ` Charles Millar
@ 2020-05-15 20:21       ` Nicolas Goaziou
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2020-05-15 20:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Charles Millar; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

Hello,

Charles Millar <millarc@verizon.net> writes:

> I recall seeing these messages, but did not realize that this change
> was going to effect all org files and by default, use lots and lots of
> space when an org file is opened.

That's true. On large files, this is not the best set-up. But I assume
anyone opening very large Org files is able to configure Org to their
liking.

On small files, e.g., a couple of screens high, this is a decent value,
however. But, more importantly, this is the least surprising value.

I think it is not uncommon for an Emacs user to open an Org file without
knowing about this major mode, e.g., if a project provides a README.org
file. This change is (mostly) for them, not for you, or me.

> As dar as I am concerned,the past default was OK and it took only
> a brief time to learn the past behavior and the visibility settings on
> a per file basis.
>
> I may be only a user but if I had I would have voted no.

You can voice your opinion in the thread, which is not closed. I hope
the Org community can find a consensus about this change.

Regards,

-- 
Nicolas Goaziou


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