From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Scott Randby Subject: Re: Remove Org from Emacs repository? Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 13:09:14 -0500 Message-ID: References: <871sx5pp6u.fsf@laptoptop.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52906) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cJ2ND-00052F-Vr for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2016 13:09:21 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cJ2NC-0006Dh-Od for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2016 13:09:19 -0500 Received: from mail-it0-x243.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::243]:33034) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cJ2NC-0006DE-Iq for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2016 13:09:18 -0500 Received: by mail-it0-x243.google.com with SMTP id c20so11185857itb.0 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2016 10:09:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2605:a000:121e:ca:2fad:8ebe:280a:af39? ([2605:a000:121e:ca:2fad:8ebe:280a:af39]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i2sm8652342ioe.34.2016.12.19.10.09.14 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 19 Dec 2016 10:09:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org +1 for Keeping Org in Emacs. Scott Randby On 12/18/2016 08:20 AM, Carsten Dominik wrote: > Dear all, > > I'd hate to see Org removed from Emacs. It took a lot of work to get it > in, and I believe that the vast majority of Emacs users does not install > packages. For a newbie to get to Emacs and to be able to open a .org > file is a big plus. So my vote goes toward keeping it in. > > Carsten > > On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 10:22 AM, > wrote: > > 2 cents from me... > > Besides I continuously see many users praising Emacs just for Org > presence (they even may be completely non-technical users), I'm > personally think Org may be removed from Emacs distribution because: > > 1) all Reuben's argument seems sane; > 2) there are situations when someone wants particular version of Org, > and it may be not tne one bundled with Emacs. In this case someone > should perform extra steps to ensure things are going the right way. > When Org will be available only from ELPA, it will be SPOT for > such cases. > > Reuben Thomas > writes: > > > Now that Emacs has had package.el for some years, and Org is installable > > directly from GNU ELPA, would it be a good idea to remove Org from Emacs's > > source repository? > > > > The current situation is left over from before Emacs had package.el, and I > > see no compelling reason to keep it. Org is too big and distinct to be > > swallowed by Emacs; it doesn't make much sense to keep its current half-in, > > half-out state; so logically it seems sensible to take it out. > > > > I am asking this question from an Org point of view; I will ask the Emacs > > maintainers separately for their perspective. > > > > I think it would benefit Emacs too, as there would be less code to maintain > > (even though Org is quasi-external at present, it still has to build > > successfully as part of an Emacs build), and the Emacs distribution would > > be slimmer for non-Org users. > > > > Of course, Emacs "distributions" would still be able to include Org > > out-of-the box if they wished. > > > > -- > > http://rrt.sc3d.org > >