From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: John Hendy Subject: Re: Re: possible bug: TAB after elipsis Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 14:02:55 -0600 Message-ID: References: <87sk7ld26n.fsf@mean.albasani.net> <87d3ypd0fn.fsf@mean.albasani.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0239714632==" Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NvcDk-00035L-VL for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 16:03:01 -0400 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=56728 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NvcDi-00032F-5S for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 16:03:00 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NvcDg-0006wZ-7l for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 16:02:57 -0400 Received: from mail-gw0-f41.google.com ([74.125.83.41]:39399) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NvcDg-0006wV-4D for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 16:02:56 -0400 Received: by gwj21 with SMTP id 21so8307464gwj.0 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 13:02:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87d3ypd0fn.fsf@mean.albasani.net> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Memnon Anon Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --===============0239714632== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd351dc027f060482cdc46a --000e0cd351dc027f060482cdc46a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Very cool and good point about unfolding. I've basically been doing the same things. Thanks for the speed keys link, especially. I've just got to sit down and read the whole manual some weekend... there's so much and since I am usually searching under 'problem-based' motivation, there's so many helpful things I might never find that way! On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Memnon Anon < gegendosenfleisch@googlemail.com> wrote: > John Hendy writes: > > > This awesome. If this equivalent existed for M-a/e and M-f/b, I would > > be very happy with the result. Seem reasonable -- when on a folded > > headline, I just can't think of a reason someone would want to > > interact with the headline after the ellipsis. It even, as someone > > else mentioned, can ge one into trouble -- press the wrong key or > > delete after it and you're removing text you can't even see... but are > > able to interact with! > > Well, after all, its just "Plain Text" you are editing. > Whenever there is an Elipsis, there is a convenient "hack" in the > display hiding what you don't want to see, but it is never the less a > hack. So I got into the habbit that, whenever I edit a line that > contains "...", I unfold it first; whenever it is folded, I only > a ) view it or > b) navigate with the org commands like the speed keys > (http://orgmode.org/manual/Speed-keys.html) or > c) use the org structure editing command > (http://orgmode.org/manual/Structure-editing.html). > > For extensive editing with emacs board tools, there is always > "M-x show-all". > > So, I agree, whenever there are ellipsis, editing "it ... can > get one into trouble". So I just don't ;). > > hth > Memnon > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > --000e0cd351dc027f060482cdc46a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Very cool and good point about unfolding. I've basically been doing the= same things.

Thanks for the speed keys link, especially. I've j= ust got to sit down and read the whole manual some weekend... there's s= o much and since I am usually searching under 'problem-based' motiv= ation, there's so many helpful things I might never find that way!

On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Memnon Anon= <= gegendosenfleisch@googlemail.com> wrote:
John Hendy <jw.h= endy@gmail.com> writes:

> This awesome. If this equivalent existed for M-a/e and M-f/b, I would<= br> > be very happy with the result. Seem reasonable -- when on a folded
> headline, I just can't think of a reason someone would want to
> interact with the headline after the ellipsis. It even, as someone
> else mentioned, can ge one into trouble -- press the wrong key or
> delete after it and you're removing text you can't even see...= but are
> able to interact with!

Well, after all, its just "Plain Text" you are editing.
Whenever there is an Elipsis, there is a convenient "hack" in the=
display hiding what you don't want to see, but it is never the less a hack. So I got into the habbit that, whenever I edit a line that
contains "...", I unfold it first; whenever it is folded, I only<= br> a ) view it or
b) navigate with the org commands like the speed keys
=A0 (http://orgmode.org/manual/Speed-keys.html) or
c) use the org structure editing command
(http://orgmode.org/manual/Structure-editing.html).

For extensive editing with emacs board tools, there is always
"M-x show-all".

So, I agree, whenever there are ellipsis, editing "it ... can
get one into trouble". So I just don't ;).

hth
Memnon




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