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I do > vaguely recall (it was a while ago) there were some ideas I thought > would be good to add to org mode though. Unfortunately, I cannot recall > the details now. Some peope do not need any information managemenet. That is fine. Doug Engelbart envisioned something back in time which we still do not have completed for mankind. Doug Engelbart Institute - Boosting mankind's capability for coping with complex, urgent problems: https://www.dougengelbart.org/ Org mode is one way to the information management. Hyperbole is other way. They are going in parallel, they are not replacing each other. On personal computer I use personal people management, but on remote computer I would use HyRolo to quickly insert contacts. I would then later import them to my personal database. I can't use Org for information management. I have 240034 people and groups in the database, and their 197815 addresses, and 273836 of their phone numbers and email addresses, with related 46365 Hyperdocuments or elementary objects consisting of everything like: Acknowledgment, Action, Agreement, Appointment, Article, Attachment, Audio, Backlink, Book, Borrowed Item, Break-up, Business Plan, Business Profile, CBR, CSV, Call, Case, Certificate, City, Clipboard (Primary), Cognition, Common Lisp, Contact Information, Contract, Corporate Resolution, DB-ID, DISEASE, DJVU, DOCX, DONE, Debt, Default, Demand, Dev-T, Directory Action ➜, Directory, Document, Dream, Drug Information, E-mail For Mailing List, E-mail Signature, E-mail Snippet, EPUB, Emacs Lisp Hyperlink, Emacs Lisp, Enriched, Ethics Report, Event, Expenses Report, FOLLOW-UP, File, Financial Subject, Flyer, Follow-up, Food, GnuCash, Gnumeric, Good News, HTML Hyperdocument, Header Image for Letterhead, Health Remedy, HyperScope ID, ID Document, Image, Info Node, Inquiry, Instruction, Instructions, Invoice, Kotl (Hyperbole Outline), Launch Program, Letter, Letterhead, Link to Map, Loan Request, Local File, Location, Maff, Magic, Markdown (Pandoc, espresso), Markdown, Mbox, Media, Meeting, Message-ID, Mobi, Mount Point, Music, Note, ODS, ODT, Offer, Online Account, Opportunity, Org Heading, Org Standalone, Org, PDF Query, PDF by Page Nr., PDF, Page in physical book, Paraset, Partnership Offer, Password, Patent, Pay, Payslip, Phone, Place, Poem, PostgreSQL, Power of Attorney, Practical Skill, Press Release, Pricing, Profile Picture, Progress, Project, Proposal, Public Bidding, QUOTATION, Question, Questionnaire, Quotation, Quote, Recipe, Reference, Report, Request For Proposal, Request for quotation, SMS, SUCCESS, SVG, Schedule of Fees, Scheme, Service, Set ➾, Shell Command, Shell Script, Signature, Song, Spreadsheet, Task, Template, Text with images, Text, Track, Training, Travel, URL for Image, Video (exact time), Video, Voice, WRS Area, WRS Page Annotation, WRS Page, WRS Unprocessed Page, WWW, Warning, XCF, Xournalpp, YouTube Video (exact time), YouTube, aMule, reStructuredText, txt2tags. While Org is meant to be all knowing information management, I keep it pretty silent for basic lightweight markup and as unit of information within much larger Dynamic Knowledge Repository as envisioned by Engelbart. -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/