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We live in different time zones and > countries. >From Org master view point, every message shall be referencable to be usable for future as part of the knowledge base. E-mails are very referencable, and mailing list too. For IRC, there are ways to record history, and I am sure that such history may be recorded with referencable hyperlinks. Look at this example from Guix IRC channel: https://logs.guix.gnu.org/ It is irrelevant and also natural that we are in different time zones and countries. System administrator may decide the reference time zone. -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/