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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1656580173; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post; bh=GBO0LImVgouaT3Ch1uaLeJOvV2o2MNCipzHs5JQjoNQ=; b=WA5Se2uPbUIcFFYXLalIqOBmiHRpUnUoxmzXPw4UWwyFQCj8jLI3O8oz12WZWc+WNtCmVU DSCk5aV6WuSwWpaOlGXombPGNk9CN0tVhcX6bjXICk216dcSLKpPAccTlE4vUE1JJaEEEk CxKxmaNrny3shHkGJQQhlwk8eRWIBcAzrHV1WpoSkJ5InRUubIyFZt+7JNBzoRaoQWcRvb EQG5DjgldGe1dWTcxM074xw9LRx3uYB8DZS54i2+AunkYRbfGd55gPzDKfEuWQQ7ujfPyI CdrORy/Hnlzf1g6nMj3nhvnhyE+dC7Oc+XTy+vLB9L2SNZ0IKy8u6imuPyUSUw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1656580173; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=b+MYyB5ZdFn5eHQZ7GJUd4MXzI+k6ru398wZIQTssuTL1sCh9v3kJLT0zBGXU2T6UZZAb7 9y49BUPa0HKzyiFOqpGEJM6w7vP1VI/jCABvjQzhexGbCWpnWerWtcSCU4pHGJKVwsNUMc Ey9beVkRZ4u5bWBgEhx4OiQj7AoVyHqj3CsWaWDiOyu/v2PIpnz2ig3f0BkqlfcfKrSpR0 ZUjivpD9ntTGQ8hE0UzRji+mdgjDj+fCPoRUg9NDAC8wfnUS+fSrp2Zb7WGZ8ofiiTRHPN 4/sPTOYg+YtgYhmcE2mJFAGOu3xx6TdXvmfScL0q0BtM/5lhr9Eo5R0RZRhtGg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.55 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: A621D1A769 X-Spam-Score: -2.55 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: Ee4MGnomuCj8 On Wed, Jun 29, 2022 at 07:11:10PM -0700, Samuel Wales wrote: > a few things taht are probably all completely obvious or investigated > or irrelevant just in case. just brainstorm. I appreciate that! That's really what I'm asking for is ideas. I don't mind writing a bit of code, but I'm not sure where to start. > do you have everything relevant in the same subtrees? i.e. not > wanting granular, can you search upward for a dominating entry kind of > like git searching upward for the .git dir or so? property drawer > could control what's a dominating entry. you probably thoguht of this > or of having whatever categories as tags or categories in entries > though. in any case that would clock. you could even have clocking > clock into that no matter wher eyou are via some timer in principle. > just a brainstorm. you said dynamic som perhaps there is no > dominating entry for each category though. The core issue is I want to report on total time as an aggregate, not on time per task. Clock reporting gives me precise time accounting for a specific task. I want to fill whole hours with whatever tasks happened at those times chronologically. > org-time-stamp-rounding-minutes and org-clock-rounding-minutes . i > presume you don't find them relevant. I saw that. Interesting they don't appear to change the result, they modify the input when you record the time by rounding. > reminder: inactive ts in the clocked notation is usualy treated > separately by org [i.e. not hte same type of ts] from bare ia. I had considered perhaps converting inactive timestamps into clocking records. Unfortunately I think the core issue remains in aggregating by task, not by time. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Russell Adams RLAdams@AdamsInfoServ.com https://www.adamsinfoserv.com/