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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1645800955; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post; bh=o5YHlU76qaHPu3V4p+XD88Rt6wQvSDgI3UwhtO3GU78=; b=S6kjhvSWuSWH4gjBV8dfNYMY10pLHTohn/6kD1D93s19lALa4BIZpy1gyZCLRyrMJDN0xP 4QrX9A8J3MEcJ1iuZQRTy64oLLDCY4js/bgYNuMlXjzRrUoV1OvifZzD+J6Tzf9IkbPbr0 N/qM8idBStu4QSnba/DgDd8qP7sckElrHon2o4DtwAGWN1PwxPeskf1HU5TQjQCGPl0swX WsQ9Z7RgyTbTjosFvitxLC+9brKMl3YvFOzyKRNCk4U0+RraHjtjGHQ+3RR9HXhDOjlwTX wzyMryMUvSIwpkRzjqSHVeL/RMq1c+fHcfd7iCKLn7x1b3apMUj56xXxHCR62Q== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1645800955; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=XUOECUzPJlVUaOEXP7aq6xAuYYtW0G+u+YiwVp6Hc+YOPkYuhfHuppkS2sTEsLPFEkmcAr XYAu5yc/PNps6NgUTD08uVOHtplecHBNn66Sp2nTxclSscUCBnBaAh1wjwCJqld3nvHvVO cyFKPbgoEpxEXU3bp05BcF7+rOh2HZVPV/kiO+ebXrByOFjmCtvEKF7TbKfkkdRcbuJH2w HhuiEBdxMeIn50cUZKnLln7hEWIEFWEoQnvHotqDQHRVZ7euYo2/Ru6vJzS6uTTcEEn+j7 V57qHY4acnN/uu0dakQptVSNwTMSi/FgAdEtysREqukTYSEcFprif3g0KmaWSQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.13 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 9566123594 X-Spam-Score: -3.13 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: h2uaAIm00anF On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 12:48:17PM +0000, c.buhtz@posteo.jp wrote: > Am 25.02.2022 13:30 schrieb Ihor Radchenko: > > If you think that the current wording is confusing, please point out > > which parts. We are pretty much blind here on the potential issues for > > the newcomers (for obvious reason - we are too familiar with Org). > > Pointing to the confusing parts would help a lot. > > The text in the buffer after M-x org-submit-bugreport says in the first > line "You are about to submit a bug report to the Org mailing list". > This does not explain how this is done. As a (very fresh not Emacs > familiar) user I wouldn't assume that I have to setup my Emacs as a mail > client in that case. I would assume that there is some magic in behind. > ;) > > Just write something like "Make sure your Emacs is setup to send emails > or copy and paste the resulting buffer into an Email client of your > choice." Pardon. M-x report-emacs-bug opens a side panel which clearly states you can copy the message content out for another email program. Perhaps we should update the information popup in org-submit-bugreport. Can you recommend some additional explaination? > >> It is unclear where the repositories for the source code and the code > > But the front-page and the Install are not the place where I would > expect infos like that. Repos are for contributers not for users. Are they? Many Emacs users pull direct from repos, which is why it's front and center on the main orgmode site. I think the difference here is between users and developers, where in Emacs many users are developers and use tools like Git daily. > In contribute the git thing is explained in "Details on how to submit > patches" but there is a repo url missing. I think we should consider adding the repo to the top of contribute as well. Good idea. > btw: I would suggest to create links or mirror repos on your GitHub > page. This could be done in Worg. > > Do you recall the urls where you tried to search for the source code? > > I searched behind the GitHub link (right top corner of the website) > first. > I searched around on savannah but still have problems with the > interface; which is another topic. > > The point is that the users have to search (e.g. DuckDuckGo) because the > links to the repo or to description that there is no public repo are not > at the usual (compared to most of the other FOSS projects) places. I agree this is rather confusing. I think maybe we should consider creating a comprehensive list of repos on Worg. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Russell Adams RLAdams@AdamsInfoServ.com PGP Key ID: 0x1160DCB3 http://www.adamsinfoserv.com/ Fingerprint: 1723 D8CA 4280 1EC9 557F 66E8 1154 E018 1160 DCB3