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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1643029341; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post; bh=KSaAnr2ZrAoatMuHZbMmb96VGYxGJ8if067IgsnhyIU=; b=EfwyY9NV9pn6/QubLnv/bQhgS8md5RwNOGBbF2wLHhQ+38Flg/v4OiahtVd2XaRVFAhBSm /y2BEAToDU58Eh6Q8U5Uq/jnTB4R5Ln57OM9jV47icXsCfLbi+MBkLRDGbnuzQLnAZ34Zv E6/8r2Bm00VkrfdvlAPLzEogLMiveLe9HJTP6Y/cu5Q5jc9mI+VFOAK2hR4AZcrIHA787U 4wVRzoKzrg+04Fhz1TBgkfvODz+wHwAq4NIigHUrSEizd66zmvkIHK4RWd9lGxTmelz5/F MkyBTZgUqDt3+BbAc935UR96d/P2Ug6uBXFauy9MWbDWTl22qmK3Pgziwyf90w== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1643029341; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=RN/8c/i4zP2xttH6v1tkcyAuyQzXHBWJTYIzHNpOMtAX4E2S8YwArz3CjSDRAISVNIUc7p Zhw2gARjf/eWMFH4ViRQbRPd+VOYqjeDb0MLFhifD2HQUa230wywsP6IJ6g/YUUvYEL0cv ZZIYagLD2GhX2xoEP5xiymbAVC58FMvR4PvnGbd4lAvRG5YMQfvYof9iAWbaG7ohJCTZz3 jO3IPhohlPPANcaJWfi2Y7WDbYxiv/iEDj8xO8uQ/ig+vUWvTDfRgMQP9c1KBcOEFB0DpY sRbpkyKXAeaADENr/PcjKGtOahp96w2t7Nm2hbkwCG8yi14wLQmhyyWTyXiNPQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.63 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: C34D739673 X-Spam-Score: -2.63 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: pr6vUTl9yLzK On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 11:40:05AM +0000, Neil Jerram wrote: > On Mon, 24 Jan 2022, 11:14 Russell Adams, wrote: > > > Why not just do an ASCII export to a temporary read only buffer for > > viewing? > > Do you mean that you're agreeing with the concept, but finding the > implementation unnecessarily complicated? I'm not being negative about the concept. I'm asking if the poster had considered using the built-in tools before creating another new library. I did a short look at the site and the assertion "view org with less markup", and that was my first impression. I had two thoughts. The first was if the markup is a problem and you want a read only view, why not use the built in ascii export to a buffer and view that buffer? I just hit C-c C-e t A and M-x read-only-mode and was able to navigate my ascii org file as a read only buffer. Second thought was that Org's syntax was supposed to minimize the markup so it didn't negatively impact reading. Maybe the poster is identifying a pain point we should be aware of as a community, ie: that too much markup makes it hard to read. My impression is only property drawers and source blocks are potentially visually loud compared to the other markup. 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