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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1638816408; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post; bh=Oi9v4W0sDwUKoFdmyhTdNXdpABhzfvUuMljlbISZDnY=; b=muJquOqRX79glZ+xIWupg8kztEueka6r42bOWVw0+jfDBTDqoagJXqq65Z8+CUMQwbzZVb a6533Wmkfpys4QObhKLkd7lDloLyWfKvvSFFs0MWmx1HAticWW2yXUAyWIKlxKZgwaZZ/Q 5mOSAtvGYusqYuSBWENZ+zcML4bIhJDK5VuGUFcI5RNrN4oCNhWFeiC5cYXE2b6RFcDMfU TbRx61oS6rbjhq/qFG6O9h6AkWhz7ADcGIt2bs1nsAS3EB5ZUkwGcBRTjo6sqeQOkgIrJ2 RZN/pjdVq6cXbI9BvpM3lEjcKUPEe/YU1PeK9nD8TgclF4upMTjpGeOTd8W+cg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1638816408; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=sLTVZWqFfplBunUJ6LjGoaoH0VeyCTzILND3S3zn81QWNBCSt94r9ULcRcg5HPbsjc7D3k qCIJDlEizu46xpZqeiR2RrfgeTVkeM+q8ZyFahMzYQ3A1q3hLd63oj4mXebw7nxnVhsK1D vSsb5mQmEW5ogVuZc9J2hoiLbtH72K33gZgJYPL32gLNhSImaEkRtflrFmtvrGWMaMaHr5 rPt1DoZNkNkwzrFjR4EEI6Ma7N8Q/wYEu9yXV2N3EJcCo5D9qoj2LmcAyv+D4ZFTISI8/B rjutuOkCSWFc2uVv7XONMAmcfzPzYS8/5VKoSZleUcX32MkjafilNya7kOIJPQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.44 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 15F563E601 X-Spam-Score: -2.44 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: HVHxHwLSXxZc On Sun, Dec 05, 2021 at 03:35:39PM +0800, Ihor Radchenko wrote: > Dear Fellow Orgers, > > The recent spike of discussions following Karl's presentation in > Emacsconf 2021 revealed a lot of controversy among Org and Emacs > enthusiasts. Yet, Karl named a number of very real problems surrounding > Org mode usage outside Emacs. On a lighter note, I preferred the format be named "Orgish". ------------------------------------------------------------------ Russell Adams RLAdams@AdamsInfoServ.com PGP Key ID: 0x1160DCB3 http://www.adamsinfoserv.com/ Fingerprint: 1723 D8CA 4280 1EC9 557F 66E8 1154 E018 1160 DCB3