From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp12.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms5.migadu.com with LMTPS id SKdzFWt122MLNwAAbAwnHQ (envelope-from ) for ; Thu, 02 Feb 2023 09:33:47 +0100 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp12.migadu.com with LMTPS id eKFJFWt122NkpwAAauVa8A (envelope-from ) for ; Thu, 02 Feb 2023 09:33:47 +0100 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2184C3FC73 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2023 09:33:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pNV1z-0000cJ-0P; Thu, 02 Feb 2023 03:33:19 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pNV1x-0000YK-37 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2023 03:33:17 -0500 Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pNV1v-0007ye-8z for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2023 03:33:16 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=From:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID: Subject:Cc:To:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=avs7xg0oNi6p/aS+39ujORLfveKi3mFPHSNP2qoxpRw=; b=LZUuKqeqg7x0WOIfvkdpf0kKdd Ijs8NPKv0U+fa5lsJXZsIqyINNtMEHrbOSR0o/fbtjbGV+j1aU9yDiOYxuplC1S5LO15bxN4uTcqb bZ9qVgfJXYVvxsTSuHVaH2aK8UAGYGfa2vgZlZ4iopqbIoZxjeOGsQ1YFDVIjVmhDePNqxqR0t5h1 JBhygSWaViaEA25mvIGFig/Id8MahXyfAjzOD85naJh1seL6tbH653MgCnpB0FRURuwuMBQ08enJ5 U4Yt43ozq6VDZ+WmMJ19+eJtntovxtUHwVTdWGJ1ZqxEzrRnkOBv+z1dkuWY1z+tf/aQrxFMj3+Of 8q1adF4Q==; Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1pNV1p-0004IC-J8; Thu, 02 Feb 2023 09:33:09 +0100 Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2023 09:33:09 +0100 To: Heinz Tuechler Cc: Max Nikulin , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Subject: Re: POSIX TS spec reverses the meaning of TZ offset compared to ISO Message-ID: References: <2150768.1675077958@archlinux> <87tu063ox2.fsf@localhost> <87r0v9sio1.fsf@christianmoe.com> <87edr9lgq6.fsf@localhost> <87o7qdsf7h.fsf@christianmoe.com> <87v8kljz3n.fsf@localhost> <5dbbab8f-bec8-9272-2a07-b8e484b93c85@gmx.at> <42cb4a53-c293-5a25-c445-3c912bb028fb@gmail.com> <4966220d-6c4d-c144-1837-c415868de8bc@gmx.at> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="uK1d6fi9Q2/4pojp" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4966220d-6c4d-c144-1837-c415868de8bc@gmx.at> From: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=5.199.139.25; envelope-from=tomas@tuxteam.de; helo=mail.tuxteam.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1675326827; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=WIRSPb7RSuwHFkBqBYQI44nGvkVZTuqv5tSPJzrBPs2cu938RttUdR7dYMs540erKO4fL0 S7BgKhWIReIXtmREC6P43vsXoEilr8HZMwweyQ2KfkG13WqBMhalkhhcybN7sciw4PrWT0 8ZZ+ALC5fKZiVfxfi4GdNA/YNQRTmUFvHeuz7jl8NLN3Z+eKrTz12Kabd9hsAkXD4xOkQp csdPA9j/sgmtdLZW+gNwhSgtdsSjSKBUfTEtFCa1piZFUlbNbq/cQfkSycsljiyvE1ihI+ afiErY89POSqSPOGgiHHZOIIHBDzli+Nd6AAPLkFQA5tQzTaLGtrLQs9DvMUkw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=tuxteam.de header.s=mail header.b=LZUuKqeq; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1675326827; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=avs7xg0oNi6p/aS+39ujORLfveKi3mFPHSNP2qoxpRw=; b=MrunnT5Pgqff34cb7vcd/kBCU9o/e6m2OEyw7PQbFDtQRw0sJ8PDHm2aU25t5NnoSNU+ej Zb1teAc5+6BpetAPBW13p0CnN+HbBk9rFxWHuF+DswmU51QFxvUmfOG6b+MFr8eHfbZgBn UuPKmkP7WdITrdtx95tCKAakTfs3MHTkJIo1K27gTgzcUYF1STQS30MLRIDgTHw2KfoV8j LsHcyzpcnVVPHMRp+KG6dId0OMO6Mc0JcmGq/MEu4ARuYO96Xq6K2U8y65WMFVcGjucH5j 4JxIp3+6CU97uIYVDjV3Lmqcofh5+DtpOxwF3e5bCdFqWxDrq6evVE5922DLyA== X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.58 X-Spam-Score: -3.58 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 2184C3FC73 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=tuxteam.de header.s=mail header.b=LZUuKqeq; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-TUID: 9U4RL2nBts20 --uK1d6fi9Q2/4pojp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Feb 02, 2023 at 08:45:51AM +0100, Heinz Tuechler wrote: > Max Nikulin wrote/hat geschrieben on/am 02.02.2023 04:22: > > On 02/02/2023 04:57, Heinz Tuechler wrote: > > > My impression is that many of non experts like me don't > > > know in which time zone they are living. > >=20 > > For you own time zone: Open Development tools in a browser ([F12]), > > switch to console, type > >=20 > > new Intl.DateTimeFormat().resolvedOptions().timeZone > >=20 >=20 > Thank you, Max. > It seems to me that this shows the time zone I selected at set up of the > computer, in my case Europe/Berlin. Using package lutz in R with correct > coordinates I see Europe/Vienna, based on open street map. > Days ago I did not even know that Berlin and Vienna are in different > time zones. Vienna is special :) But no: there's no /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Vienna. I think what you are seeing is just a trick to improve "User Experience". Cheers --=20 t --uK1d6fi9Q2/4pojp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABECAB0WIQRp53liolZD6iXhAoIFyCz1etHaRgUCY9t1PgAKCRAFyCz1etHa Rq4YAJ4qrl/ArRXNmiw1mbbZ9AUkbJLbsACdFhb4uNfpTcybzwNNw+HObn2o0MY= =Yvzw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --uK1d6fi9Q2/4pojp--