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Org files shall still be readable as plain text IMHO. As Org textual structure has been adopted by other text editors, and various applications, it is not feasible to expect that other editors and applications would be re-writing the displayed text to show to user their local time. Only user's local time is friendly to user. Other options may be added, though focus should be on helping human and making things easy. -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/