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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1674624518; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=i7kFLQ3Hij60Wn4GE1ZxIztaumm67FvGX5mUifvU13gS40rJKuj6N+xd8lVekkV6x9bX6K Km0UY2fYyX2sRsrbvUX8cFgXczBgM9pBsS4R4erbnMrB4y17oSWsp5ZYfKPxDzsoHEqhZX jf+UzzpNOcdX/+sGYLugShrO+IDxpWvQNEWWr9V+VzTTo1IAoLadxanMJlPOgQOWJCNQkA P/Bhe8OwRN3xZ9d6WsfFEGlD1TUX+eWSQxhRyYimkMj4yn7nFjf9diPdErKoQG0p6jJFl+ mCCm8blAmeBxjfdU5HzD5371nX5RHHnk/AdyhMyrj7zgZ9nRUGqhs/+nNoMxVg== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1674624518; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=2n6y4qaowa155JBBudCBSILPhBl+NJ7rqv3FUl/ICyM=; b=USXaDL0CujJs8PqVNK/NEcswmhTWAz4Z4nIBRL7hrszScg8zgCj1mdf9aGgv505OQoH6nG EsX9ahOMKKD+e7XLOGIgSJJjIc3KCHrYAhVZh1flfUnnnzkYwRv/a4ZtV6RAHsNp+UY3P1 3tdPDJfuNBTh9RVP64sWHY0hFdbXnhRegT5I8ey6ZSC8lk06EEnOH+q3xeqPzuC1z4iPPF 4XSSqcnnnk2JvCRAEWuMJD2b/+he7eNZbSjq3Ee4wkGgvsMMm2+4xhDu5kv4ggSLIVwjv5 RfkbfJw9UNPWT1is/1B1WLwjmvYUZ3ilwqStbjByUawNAdVHRKfHSIS8131RxQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org"; dmarc=none X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.37 X-Spam-Score: -1.37 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: E01A9107B0 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org"; dmarc=none X-TUID: ptMBn64KomX2 * Max Nikulin [2023-01-24 20:12]: > On 22/01/2023 14:48, Tim Cross wrote: > > Timestamp for a log > > record I would probably want or one of the > > variants because the most common way I use those types of timestamp is > > in diagnosing problems and comparing revords from various locations > > where I don't care about the local time where the record was generated, > > but with when it occurred in relation to other log recores. > > I agree that it is more convenient to have uniform offset in such case, > especially in the case of multiple files having their specific timezone. > During trips I do not expect so much changes of timezone to make comparison > of timestamps significantly harder. > > > I would argue that all depends on how you use the information. My org > > files are consumed by me (reading) and by scripts, elisp and other > > programs. > > For scripts given offset should not be an issue at all. And it is up to you > if you prefer to have UTC instead of local time offset in you files. Surely I understand your point of view, but offset does not provide to people their local time, that would just make confusion. -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/