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However if your > plan is to attend a local event there is a chance that you will arrive at > wrong time. Sometimes offset of timezones is changed and it may happen > between the moment when you added a scheduled time and the moment of the > event. Can't follow you. with "+1" I would say it is time zone. Basic point is that users shall learn to express themselves by using time zone. That may be set as global property, which could be enough for Org file to be mobile, that Org file may be conclusively understood in any other time zone of the world when some specific thing happened. -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/