From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp11.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms5.migadu.com with LMTPS id KNKvGXInt2MgVAEAbAwnHQ (envelope-from ) for ; Thu, 05 Jan 2023 20:39:30 +0100 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp11.migadu.com with LMTPS id GIG2GXInt2NmcQEA9RJhRA (envelope-from ) for ; Thu, 05 Jan 2023 20:39:30 +0100 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 410EC39A68 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2023 20:39:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pDW4n-00006J-NZ; Thu, 05 Jan 2023 14:38:59 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pDW4T-0008Vo-4z for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2023 14:38:37 -0500 Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pDW4R-0000k9-I6 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2023 14:38:36 -0500 Received: from localhost ([::ffff:102.85.246.225]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000055D52.0000000063B7273D.00003544; Thu, 05 Jan 2023 12:38:36 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2023 22:37:50 +0300 From: Jean Louis To: Ihor Radchenko Cc: Max Nikulin , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Subject: Re: Export Org with Org concept -- Re: Problems with C-c C-e file.org, Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: Ihor Radchenko , Max Nikulin , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org References: <878rj469sk.fsf@localhost> <877cy673ot.fsf@localhost> <87edsckkym.fsf@localhost> <87v8lldyco.fsf@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87v8lldyco.fsf@localhost> User-Agent: Mutt/2.2.9+54 (af2080d) (2022-11-21) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, GAPPY_SUBJECT=0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1672947570; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=tO1HEWGb/+O73mSnelWb5Uc7yCZwc0CxXm6d8GDxc38=; b=KKrzSTPPvu0gQjmdDRaEK/PsqDO1BICu/uLcLPuUrtE/kf5rhRy0x6s+H+iCnD0rrE3M2k wo+kZKS/LgJK75xc5ArP3Cl7NgHI0ikc6xlwvO7Tmwl6aB6qk3q/uld2scFdONXG23JZyK DqxmPSCkxAUSJzhlefVrf+vIhaQl/ghNY3B0v1hXTadsElVdQanEoXDj0uQ199dHaZiCC6 ZyP5KC3eQX8FscySmWJEp8c1xxc3cN24QRXsbdAKc4L4DWxfJ9VkdVWWegcX3LN7j+jvRV XL8i/OJl4Hn7JzRAYmj/uThqXCsyR6J6jeZSxVUxNVybeR/qDhT0+D7lp2yUuA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org"; dmarc=none ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1672947570; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=nE/BJI7YBLrKi9abSFtWrS3ghAHjHSrelMsBOELc0aC7EA57OZg8jWkLu2QK3cVw6ggdec S0uKZRk+7xKcWsmggv1GwAZ9UJ5MafFg12tHEFTgzTzDUoYGmxFMDkccRe82EAwGpMtgIb HTBrMp5sh1XZXESBtzbPC1pSgl16I7odCNEQQSKXgSn2we6mbGcQxX41ivK1FJjk8S5VMk dJ3hh+IIjTTyuvneJKgNfVGq+lVIdbE8hXNHm9fI7zvB/44WxAp5pPurjq6+4jWq84Eaqs dc3qGubIt60z3O+GTRNVADoHWfdfcWywUzV1LeC8lXsnKwkr4/1tK9v3vh68gg== X-Spam-Score: -0.86 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 410EC39A68 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org"; dmarc=none X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -0.86 X-TUID: mzruOOAGM2TN * Ihor Radchenko [2023-01-05 14:17]: > Could you please elaborate what is bad about the design and maybe > provide some ideas how it can be improved? There was choice back in time, before 10 years, to provide to user few keys to run some functions, like Org export. That itself is not bad, but when it started expanding into now more than 100+ different exports, Org requires every new package to define what? Keys? So every package author is supposed to provide keys and various snippets of text, because they have to accommodate initial and outdated notion on using simple menu. Org Export is not any more simple menu. And Org users are in quite peculiar mode, with headings, TODO, tags, so in my personal logic it does not make sense NOT to provide to Org users Org based buffers where they can fold or unfold headings, freely use mouse to export, or keys, and watch in one window the buffer with menu like RCD Org Export, and in other windows other exports appearing in various versions, minimizing repetition, and helping user become more efficient. The ideas have been sent as concept to you, then as full package, which I now use daily, so it is to derive the mode, define key bindings, decide how to display toggling of variables for body, scope, async, etc. and generate hyperlinks for export. RCD Dashboard package is made to help other similar things to be created, and I wish to liberate it even from Org mode. I use daily RCD Dashboard, as it is package for packages in now multiple screens appearing automatically, imagine intersections of elementary objects like headings, or files, with their names, appearing in generated Org buffers with hyperlinks. -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/