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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1672304275; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=D4NRw0JVdv/k5D4nzs+E1PUijuF4TumaI/l51nbzbg4=; b=gfG594dlINubRsv6Q4vvOROhLJyoa0Beme8S0VlyD7SDDjlbFuZ0a3GVBQt5Y27l8zrBl1 Upj6Iu1e1o7wIT4urmqY46jgl3ge2PmehFpBjR7+hhC0SNMVZLgwW1/WKDUaJyb12dzWD2 SspAs+aeyVrWM/5gSX047hr43csH1738dlBnEpNS8NYZDu7j5kGkB+7EMEVn4Zt2E/+7rj Xs6PfF1zsSd9sBEmf/gEYAblbeavHyYTGuVNKeNTVs3kSTzbam6QP/nrVjCHA1ahp4rSqa Ue7mKaXFK5e+C1Zih5Guv5osWIksEACtVKz7Z+IBefqLl2jjzGS9F5iNBz4krg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=tuxteam.de header.s=mail header.b=oWG4Awn6; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org"; dmarc=none ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1672304275; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=u8e55bS5QLlA3txqvnAOtzKD3scKrjt7qAdT+CxPMyc95SWkmn7d1WROvuc4tMFSTKzpXu G5cUFttv77oFTIdO2Cxe/NhizHHPO2r2GGaY/pPuB9PFOYceaCFDXE79DABCwa+3uAqElD 6UtxTnwRPxOP/Eb9tDoWl7dn1hwKlqGuESdRRerwxCritT0St3myvC7ytEXvS/XZ37lMeO oepK8Av9LcK77s2NSEV6nORgJk8RwjFNUmcBGhfKt9n+/7c4cItSn240NiCfkSNHgzRflz 7Q2Z3+xJyMaL9/gUEMVwkXFqZ7CR0u81hm62n4vlxkcU+zrdGnebDFheaCC6jA== X-Spam-Score: 0.57 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 534DE125FD Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=tuxteam.de header.s=mail header.b=oWG4Awn6; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org"; dmarc=none X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 0.57 X-TUID: MvjZb/AVgzVk --ZZATCiB9B9zev9Ws Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 05:01:33PM +1100, Tim Cross wrote: >=20 > writes: >=20 > > As far as I am concerned, I don't think the feature is important > > enough to complexify Org, but (a) I see that there are people who > > really want it (and offer myself as sparring partner to bounce ideas > > off) and (b) Org is chock full of features I'd rather not have, > > but others need badly. Software is like that :-) > > >=20 > I agree. While I can understand it is a feature some users may want, it > certainly isn't one I'm interested in and I continue to be very > concerned about the feature growth and increase in complexity I see with > org. I fear we are losing one of the best features of org - simplicity > and easy customization for individual needs. Agreed, so far. > I find the straight-forward > nature of a tree structure much simpler to work with than one which will > be less tree like and more directed graph like. Strongly disagree. Both are trees (that's why I prefer to talk about "document model". It's only so that in Org, only the first child of a section node can be text, the following must be subsections. In "XML" you just can intermix subsections and text (actually: any kind of subnodes). Org is "asymmetric" in this respect: blocks can be mixed freely with text content (aka paragraphs), sections cannot. But trees they are all. > While it is true the > tree structure found in outline mode does impose some restrictions on > the document layouts you can use, I think that loss in generality is > justified by the gain in simplicity and consistency in other processing, > such as data exports.=20 I think it is misleading to cast it in terms of "tree" vs "non-tree" and this may be part of the current confusion's source. Cheers [1] "XML" as a shorthand for the unrestricted structure of an XML document model. Then you can restrict it with DTDs, RelaxNGs or whatever. --=20 t --ZZATCiB9B9zev9Ws Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABECAB0WIQRp53liolZD6iXhAoIFyCz1etHaRgUCY61WagAKCRAFyCz1etHa RkvcAJ9bAh3Y60XRGHAsL82gEZ2d0+w70wCfS11ltAqchWqJjwETLCjh4OLRV1s= =WW0F -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ZZATCiB9B9zev9Ws--