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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1676209691; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=PZ3w92t/C2rFhly74IbsrqOFCLlQbutXAWmCcbNym3D+sN8NcbAkgYNrWpgRBENj7hGQ5o nLSPioQKEv5+cP1hb7QOU1nBda7c0kb1hlcJt7E7/CrGeqVknSB71OGm9sTeWbh3BYQldi DcieWYJzsE/A9WG/9SObO5cb4fNBGj1KeBmFbgGlqqt1MetobeXmRXcY4+vxqDsEvj7IwO LWcFKpIk4v92WuwRUcQwBi11M2g/S4zEBoNidEEiezVfmqcJ0veD6kXs7M5jRT5fIVnJel N5eaYQK5q9z/ubvUUPHgGlk8vVLJft+W8zhK9iKvDh+W0qv+moEcknUkHC4O2g== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=tuxteam.de header.s=mail header.b=s8pztQyr; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1676209691; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=kwVMlc6FdFPt9YxHgBrMZi4ryV4RmqovEm9BXitBF4c=; b=b9LOjF4GvVANS30UQ9jRvj24JblJaqNsQjZVurzIxpBHSL2DwYycQy1mJw+srkXjxI0Y7v 1+9Rp2AkpPy5PVBF7lySIET5yUC7kEjSuX7HQFoCc69skg6fWvRUp0L4LYONK4Cc1knKkP IMROCxuVhUf6BJFLk6VERFj82mlzMZ3YQNu3qmzVaWIpUyJDDc7w1XJUu/ZYSgz1hxZjU9 ySP8Wv/k9xBKKqTBbkF7FhiiywU6SDAYEvsMvKGUOGcM4E++4nl3Iq/L9z3BuzkPfUabQR Jgqs9RKUZgS7QdLholpNSD1vqo6Wxd8pGWNM3dK10ieshX2zyGM6xJMiD95lFQ== X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 4AEB61DE8A Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=tuxteam.de header.s=mail header.b=s8pztQyr; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.02 X-Spam-Score: -4.02 X-TUID: czVwF1K/IQLC --BAQtdCIJRH6U5MY/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 12:33:40PM +0300, Jean Louis wrote: > * Ihor Radchenko [2023-02-10 13:48]: > > Jean Louis writes: > >=20 > > > If you start adding in Org "fixed" time with UTC offset, that is a new > > > type of timestamp, as it is not common in world. > >=20 > > It is how ISO8601 defines offsets. >=20 > - did you say you wish to represent time with UTC time zone by using > UTC offset? >=20 > - and I said, UTC time is always without offset, and if any is > represented then it must be +00 >=20 > - and now you say that ISO8601 defines offsets... sorry, you are > confusing me and readers. It is not about "the offset OF UTC". It is about "the offset RELATIVE TO UTC". Sorry for raising my voice :-) Cheers --=20 t --BAQtdCIJRH6U5MY/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABECAB0WIQRp53liolZD6iXhAoIFyCz1etHaRgUCY+jt4QAKCRAFyCz1etHa RtGjAJ41B7NzCe7dPFi8nQo1mVyP0j1OswCfTuvwYAB/qGuE6KFBcbijwj/2lMk= =RDAu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --BAQtdCIJRH6U5MY/--