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From: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
To: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com>
Cc: Maxim Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com>, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Bring up a screen giving option to open a series of orgmode files
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 22:08:33 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <X9e4Ma4U79LBXKOY@protected.rcdrun.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <874kkolf1o.fsf@localhost>

* Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com> [2020-12-14 15:55]:
> Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support> writes:
> 
> > * Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com> [2020-12-13 03:39]:
> >> Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support> writes:
> >> I have hypothes.is installed inside docker container locally. No serious
> >> protection is required in such case (at least, no more than one would
> >> use to protect private files from dangerous software like browsers).
> >
> > I can install it on VPS which is definitely in plan. Locally I do not
> > think so, as locally I have dynamic knowledge repository that may
> > export to Org if necessary or accessed by collaborative group of
> > people. 
> 
> I am actually just trying hyposes.is now (after you reminded me about
> it). For me, the main advantage is not for pdfs, but rather the ability
> to have pdf-like annotations in web-pages: highlights, comments, etc.
> Combined with local ArchiveBox [1] storage, I can get annotations for my
> local web archive.
> 
> [1] https://github.com/ArchiveBox/ArchiveBox

I have seen it, good tool and it makes sense to have one's own archive
as web pages really disappear. You reminded me of so many references
that it helped me streamline my workflows for soon future and new projects.

> >> I am not sure how it is different from using hypothes.is for the same
> >> purpose. Note that hypothes.is uses pdf fingerprinting, so you don't
> >> even need to store pdf on server side. If user can open the pdf
> >> (obtained from you directly, for example), hypothes.is will
> >> automatically show the up-to-date annotations shared via public
> >> hypothes.is instance for that particular user.
> >
> > The difference is that annotation is separate from file, and there is
> > no need for Javascript. Hyperdocument may contain the PDF file and the
> > annotation together, dispatched to somebody, or referenced from WWW
> > page. It is lightweight. HTML file can be very small and speedy
> > loaded. 
> 
> Hypothes.is does not store the file - just file fingerprint and
> information required to identify and annotation positions within the
> file.

OK and not that I meant it stores files. I was rather referring to
collaborative work within a room or distant servers over VPN where
people collaboratively open references to PDF files. Such PDF files
can be stored on a local computer, could be fetched from server, but
not from public server. This is more privacy issue. Hypothes.is as
public online server must have access to files to show the annotation
as that implies that for example those 1300 files here would need to
be placed online where they by their nature do not belong. They could
be placed on a computer within a course room where each student may
access them.

Hypothes.is as online instance is then useful for those online files,
and WWW pages, but the approach of having private archive and then
annotating such is even better. Still the hypothes.is is separate
dynamic knowledge repository for annotations. Different database,
different set of rules but same open hyperdocument project set of
principles. So I better stick to one database, not to two.

And I just guess that hypothes.is could be invoked from hyperlinks to
show annotations even if not stored yet. That would be great feature,
to just provide section of text with few hyperlinks where user may
start to read the annotation and then open the PDF file to see the
context around the annotation.

Jean


  reply	other threads:[~2020-12-14 19:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-11-22 10:01 Gerardo Moro
2020-11-22 10:09 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-22 17:35   ` Berry, Charles via General discussions about Org-mode.
2020-11-22 18:33     ` Jean Louis
2020-11-22 19:03     ` Gerardo Moro
2020-11-22 19:15       ` Jean Louis
2020-11-23  3:59         ` Gerardo Moro
2020-11-23  5:21           ` Jean Louis
2020-11-23  8:12             ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-11-23  8:40               ` Gerardo Moro
2020-11-23  9:11                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-11-23  9:14                   ` Gerardo Moro
2020-11-23  9:14               ` Jean Louis
2020-11-24  4:07                 ` Gerardo Moro
2020-11-24  7:26                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-11-24  7:23                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-11-24  9:28                   ` Gerardo Moro
2020-11-24  9:57                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-11-24 16:26                       ` Jean Louis
2020-11-25  3:41                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-11-25  5:36                           ` Jean Louis
2020-11-25  7:15                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-11-25 11:20                               ` Browser org-capture bookmarklet Jean Louis
2020-11-25 12:51                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-11-25 14:12                                   ` Jean Louis
2020-11-25 14:50                                   ` Jean Louis
2020-12-02  9:07                               ` Bring up a screen giving option to open a series of orgmode files Jean Louis
2020-12-02  9:53                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-12-02 10:19                                   ` Jean Louis
2020-12-02  9:24                               ` Jean Louis
2020-12-02  9:56                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-12-02 10:14                                   ` Jean Louis
2020-11-24 17:41                       ` Jean Louis
2020-12-02 10:17                       ` Maxim Nikulin
2020-11-27  2:40                   ` Jean Louis
2020-11-27  8:15                     ` Alan Schmitt
2020-11-27 12:04                       ` Jean Louis
2020-11-28 16:12                         ` Maxim Nikulin
2020-11-28 18:10                           ` Jean Louis
2020-11-28 15:51                     ` Maxim Nikulin
2020-11-28 17:59                       ` Jean Louis
2020-11-30  9:35                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-11-30 10:45                           ` Jean Louis
2020-12-01  2:38                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-12-01 10:30                               ` Jean Louis
2020-11-30 17:08                         ` Maxim Nikulin
2020-11-30 18:33                           ` Jean Louis
2020-12-02 16:41                             ` Maxim Nikulin
2020-12-02 17:24                               ` Jean Louis
2020-12-09 13:00                               ` Jean Louis
2020-12-09 15:03                                 ` Maxim Nikulin
2020-12-09 16:32                                   ` Jean Louis
2020-12-09 16:49                                     ` Maxim Nikulin
2020-12-10  0:04                                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-12-11  6:54                                       ` Jean Louis
2020-12-11 14:40                                         ` Maxim Nikulin
2020-12-11 15:22                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-12-12  3:22                                             ` Jean Louis
2020-12-13  0:42                                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-12-13 15:00                                                 ` Jean Louis
2020-12-14 12:58                                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-12-14 19:08                                                     ` Jean Louis [this message]
2020-12-14 22:27                                                       ` TRS-80
2020-12-14 22:33                                                         ` Jean Louis
2020-12-15  4:42                                                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-12-15  5:00                                                           ` Jean Louis
2020-12-16  2:59                                                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-12-16  4:05                                                               ` Tom Gillespie
2020-12-18 12:35                                                               ` Jean Louis
2020-12-16  1:48                                                           ` TRS-80
2020-12-16 12:40                                                           ` Maxim Nikulin
2020-12-12  2:49                                           ` Jean Louis
2020-12-13  0:48                                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-12-13 15:13                                               ` Jean Louis
2020-12-13 18:02                                                 ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-13 20:31                                                   ` Jean Louis
2020-12-14  0:34                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-12-14  0:34                                                   ` Jean Louis
2020-12-14  0:35                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
     [not found]                     ` <874kl7172r.fsf@localhost>
2020-11-30 10:51                       ` Jean Louis
2020-11-22 21:23       ` Berry, Charles via General discussions about Org-mode.
2020-11-23  9:52 ` Diego Zamboni
2020-11-23 21:04   ` Jean Louis
2020-11-24  9:53 ` John Sturdy
2020-11-24 10:04   ` Detlef Steuer
2020-11-24 13:44     ` Jean Louis
2020-11-24 14:38   ` Jean Louis

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