From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Carsten Dominik Subject: Re: org-install.el in Emacs probably should be removed Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 21:03:31 +0100 Message-ID: References: <83d4dkyw94.fsf@cam.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LYnDG-0000UB-5C for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Feb 2009 15:03:38 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LYnDE-0000Tz-Ny for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Feb 2009 15:03:36 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=56516 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LYnDE-0000Tw-Jn for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Feb 2009 15:03:36 -0500 Received: from mail-ew0-f20.google.com ([209.85.219.20]:48842) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LYnDD-0004K1-W4 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Feb 2009 15:03:36 -0500 Received: by ewy13 with SMTP id 13so2798553ewy.18 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2009 12:03:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <83d4dkyw94.fsf@cam.ac.uk> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Leo Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org On Feb 15, 2009, at 8:50 AM, Leo wrote: > Hi Carsten, > > I just notice there is a dummy file in emacs/lisp/org. The use of this > file hides problems away for example if users install org to a dir > that > is overshadowed by the lisp/org in emacs (this happen quite often to > newbies too). Two files with the same name but different content also > confuse other users. > > I think for users using both standalone and included org versions, the > cleaner and better way is to use one of the following > > (load "org-install" t) or (require 'org-install nil t) > > in their own .emacs files if they want to avoid error (we can put this > in the documentation). But I guess some will prefer emacs to throw an > error when that org-install that does autoloads is missing. > > Pointing out the install procedure is only for installing standalone > org > package is also sufficient. This is what I have done extensively in the manual, but this has not kept people from doing (require 'org) in .emacs. I have been fighting hard to get people to use (require 'org-install), so I did not want to punish them when they move to Emacs 23 and want to use the Emacs version. Admittedly, this is not very likely. Also, I do want to keep the option that org-install will do more than just install autoloads. So while I don't have strong feelings about removing org-install from Emacs again, I cannot really see the point either. - Carsten