From: "Thomas S. Dye" <tsd@tsdye.com>
To: Eric Schulte <schulte.eric@gmail.com>
Cc: Org Mode <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: allow table* specification with #+ATTR_LaTeX:
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 10:18:00 -1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E8259AC0-A8E6-4206-8785-7D2BA77A4248@tsdye.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <877hf8cev6.fsf@gmail.com>
Hi Eric,
This is a very nice addition to the LaTeX exporter. It opens up a
lot of LaTeX to Org-mode users.
Users unfamiliar with LaTeX might be interested to know that standard
LaTeX typesets captions as if they are beneath the captioned item.
This means that the vertical spacing is wrong for captions set above
tables. The last time I checked, the correction in standard LaTeX
involved a separate macro, topcaption, to use only with captions set
above the item.
The Koma scripts solve this problem in a way that is convenient for
Org-mode. The option captions=tableheading causes the script to make
the caption macro aware of its position relative to the captioned
item, so that the proper vertical spacing can be applied in every case.
All the best,
Tom
On Dec 17, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Eric Schulte wrote:
> Hi Tom,
>
> Thanks for all you help on this front. I've just pushed up the patch
> with your suggested syntax (which is much better than my original).
> It
> allows the following behavior.
>
> The following org
> #+begin_src org
> #+CAPTION: A wide table with tabulary
> #+LABEL: tbl:wide
> #+ATTR_LaTeX: table* tabulary width=\textwidth align=l|lp{3cm}r|l
> | 1 | 2 | 3 |
> | 4 | 5 | 6 |
>
> #+CAPTION: A normal table with tabularx
> #+LABEL: tbl:wide
> #+ATTR_LaTeX: table tabularx width=\textwidth align=l|lp{3cm}r|l
> | 1 | 2 | 3 |
> | 4 | 5 | 6 |
>
> and now a simple table
>
> | 1 | 2 | 3 |
> | 4 | 5 | 6 |
> #+end_src
>
> exports to the following tex
> #+begin_src latex
> \begin{table*}[htb]
> \caption{A wide table with tabulary} \label{tbl:wide}
> \begin{center}
> \begin{tabulary}{\textwidth}{l|lp{3cm}r|l}
> 1 & 2 & 3 \\
> 4 & 5 & 6 \\
> \end{tabulary}
> \end{center}
> \end{table*}
>
>
> \begin{table}[htb]
> \caption{A normal table with tabularx} \label{tbl:wide}
> \begin{center}
> \begin{tabularx}{\textwidth}{l|lp{3cm}r|l}
> 1 & 2 & 3 \\
> 4 & 5 & 6 \\
> \end{tabularx}
> \end{center}
> \end{table}
>
>
> and now a simple table
>
>
> \begin{center}
> \begin{tabular}{rrr}
> 1 & 2 & 3 \\
> 4 & 5 & 6 \\
> \end{tabular}
> \end{center}
> #+end_src
>
>
> Thanks -- Eric
>
> "Thomas S. Dye" <tsd@tsdye.com> writes:
>
>> Hi Eric,
>>
>> A syntax like this, with a width attribute, seems most like Org-mode
>> to me:
>>
>> #+ATTR_LaTeX table* tabularx width=\textwidth align=llXrl
>>
>> If that isn't a reasonable possibility, then, yes, the square
>> brackets
>> should be changed. These represent optional arguments in LaTeX. The
>> width argument is required by tabularx and tabulary, not optional, so
>> it looks like an error from a LaTeX point of view. Changing the
>> square brackets to curly brackets in this case would have the
>> advantage of looking a lot like the underlying LaTeX.
>>
>> All the best,
>> Tom
>>
>> On Dec 16, 2010, at 2:57 PM, Eric Schulte wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Tom,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the pointer, how about this revised version of the patch.
>>> It
>>> takes the following inputs
>>>
>>> #+begin_src org
>>> #+CAPTION: A wide table with tabulary
>>> #+LABEL: tbl:wide
>>> #+ATTR_LaTeX: table* tabulary[\textwidth] align=l|lp{3cm}r|l
>>> | 1 | 2 | 3 |
>>> | 4 | 5 | 6 |
>>>
>>> #+CAPTION: A normal table with tabularx
>>> #+LABEL: tbl:wide
>>> #+ATTR_LaTeX: table tabularx[\textwidth] align=l|lp{3cm}r|l
>>> | 1 | 2 | 3 |
>>> | 4 | 5 | 6 |
>>> #+end_src
>>>
>>> and yields the following output
>>>
>>> #+begin_src latex
>>> \begin{table*}[htb]
>>> \caption{A wide table with tabulary} \label{tbl:wide}
>>> \begin{center}
>>> \begin{tabulary}{\textwidth}{l|lp{3cm}r|l}
>>> 1 & 2 & 3 \\
>>> 4 & 5 & 6 \\
>>> \end{tabulary}
>>> \end{center}
>>> \end{table*}
>>>
>>>
>>> \begin{table}[htb]
>>> \caption{A normal table with tabularx} \label{tbl:wide}
>>> \begin{center}
>>> \begin{tabularx}{\textwidth}{l|lp{3cm}r|l}
>>> 1 & 2 & 3 \\
>>> 4 & 5 & 6 \\
>>> \end{tabularx}
>>> \end{center}
>>> \end{table}
>>> #+end_src
>>>
>>> I'm not sure about the square bracket syntax, maybe curly would be
>>> preferable. Definitely open to suggestions.
>>>
>>> Should this be applied? Are there any obvious areas for
>>> improvement?
>>>
>>> Thanks -- Eric
>>>
>>> diff --git a/lisp/org-latex.el b/lisp/org-latex.el
>>> index a261171..af0a15d 100644
>>> --- a/lisp/org-latex.el
>>> +++ b/lisp/org-latex.el
>>> @@ -1741,7 +1741,7 @@ The conversion is made depending of STRING-
>>> BEFORE and STRING-AFTER."
>>> (org-table-last-column-widths (copy-sequence
>>> org-table-last-column-
>>> widths))
>>> fnum fields line lines olines gr colgropen line-fmt
>>> align
>>> - caption shortn label attr floatp placement longtblp)
>>> + caption shortn label attr floatp placement longtblp
>>> tblenv)
>>> (if org-export-latex-tables-verbatim
>>> (let* ((tbl (concat "\\begin{verbatim}\n" raw-table
>>> "\\end{verbatim}\n")))
>>> @@ -1758,6 +1758,16 @@ The conversion is made depending of STRING-
>>> BEFORE and STRING-AFTER."
>>> 'org-label raw-table)
>>> longtblp (and attr (stringp attr)
>>> (string-match "\\<longtable\\>"
>>> attr))
>>> + tblenv (if (and attr (stringp attr)
>>> + (string-match (regexp-quote "table*") attr))
>>> + "table*" "table")
>>> + org-export-latex-tabular-environment
>>> + (progn
>>> + (message "attr:%s" attr)
>>> + (if (and attr (stringp attr)
>>> + (string-match "\\(tabular.*\\)\\[\\(.+\\)\\]" attr))
>>> + (list (match-string 1 attr) (match-string 2 attr))
>>> + org-export-latex-tabular-environment))
>>> align (and attr (stringp attr)
>>> (string-match "\\<align=\\([^ \t\n\r]+\
>>> \)" attr)
>>> (match-string 1 attr))
>>> @@ -1821,7 +1831,8 @@ The conversion is made depending of STRING-
>>> BEFORE and STRING-AFTER."
>>> (concat
>>> (if longtblp
>>> (concat "\\begin{longtable}{" align "}
>>> \n")
>>> - (if floatp (format "\\begin{table}%s\n"
>>> placement)))
>>> + (if floatp
>>> + (format "\\begin{%s}%s\n" tblenv placement)))
>>> (if floatp
>>> (format
>>> "\\caption%s{%s} %s"
>>> @@ -1832,8 +1843,15 @@ The conversion is made depending of STRING-
>>> BEFORE and STRING-AFTER."
>>> (if (and org-export-latex-tables-centered
>>> (not longtblp))
>>> "\\begin{center}\n")
>>> (if (not longtblp)
>>> - (format "\\begin{%s}{%s}\n"
>>> - org-export-latex-tabular-environment align))
>>> + (if (listp org-export-latex-tabular-environment)
>>> + (apply
>>> + #'format
>>> + (append
>>> + (list "\\begin{%s}{%s}{%s}\n")
>>> + org-export-latex-tabular-environment
>>> + (list align)))
>>> + (format "\\begin{%s}{%s}\n"
>>> + org-export-latex-tabular-environment align)))
>>> (orgtbl-to-latex
>>> lines
>>> `(:tstart nil :tend nil
>>> @@ -1847,12 +1865,14 @@ The conversion is made depending of STRING-
>>> BEFORE and STRING-AFTER."
>>> nil)))
>>> (if (not longtblp)
>>> (format "\n\\end{%s}"
>>> - org-export-latex-tabular-environment))
>>> + (if (listp org-export-latex-tabular-environment)
>>> + (car org-export-latex-tabular-environment)
>>> + org-export-latex-tabular-environment)))
>>> (if longtblp "\n" (if org-export-latex-
>>> tables-centered
>>> "\n\\end{center}\n"
>>> "\n"))
>>> (if longtblp
>>> "\\end{longtable}"
>>> - (if floatp "\\end{table}"))))
>>> + (if floatp (format "\\end{%s}"
>>> tblenv)))))
>>> "\n\n"))))))))
>>>
>>> (defun org-export-latex-convert-table.el-table ()
>>>
>>> "Thomas S. Dye" <tsd@tsdye.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> Hi Eric,
>>>>
>>>> The syntax for tabularx and tabulary includes a width specification
>>>> that is a required argument:
>>>>
>>>> \begin{tabulary}{<width>}{<align>} ... \end{tabulary}
>>>> \begin{tabularx}{<width>}{<align>} ... \end{tabularx}
>>>>
>>>> This is typically set to something like \linewidth, \colwidth, or
>>>> \textwidth, but might also take an absolute length like 250pt, 5in,
>>>> etc.
>>>>
>>>> All the best,
>>>> Tom
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 16, 2010, at 4:43 AM, Eric Schulte wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The attached patch implements the behavior described previously,
>>>>> so
>>>>> for
>>>>> example the following org
>>>>>
>>>>> #+begin_src org
>>>>> #+CAPTION: A wide table with tabulary
>>>>> #+LABEL: tbl:wide
>>>>> #+ATTR_LaTeX: table* tabulary align=l|lp{3cm}r|l
>>>>> | 1 | 2 | 3 |
>>>>> | 4 | 5 | 6 |
>>>>>
>>>>> #+CAPTION: A normal table with tabularx
>>>>> #+LABEL: tbl:wide
>>>>> #+ATTR_LaTeX: table tabularx align=l|lp{3cm}r|l
>>>>> | 1 | 2 | 3 |
>>>>> | 4 | 5 | 6 |
>>>>> #+end_src
>>>>>
>>>>> exports to the following latex
>>>>>
>>>>> #+begin_src latex
>>>>> \begin{table*}[htb]
>>>>> \caption{A wide table with tabulary} \label{tbl:wide}
>>>>> \begin{center}
>>>>> \begin{tabulary}{l|lp{3cm}r|l}
>>>>> 1 & 2 & 3 \\
>>>>> 4 & 5 & 6 \\
>>>>> \end{tabulary}
>>>>> \end{center}
>>>>> \end{table*}
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> \begin{table}[htb]
>>>>> \caption{A normal table with tabularx} \label{tbl:wide}
>>>>> \begin{center}
>>>>> \begin{tabularx}{l|lp{3cm}r|l}
>>>>> 1 & 2 & 3 \\
>>>>> 4 & 5 & 6 \\
>>>>> \end{tabularx}
>>>>> \end{center}
>>>>> \end{table}
>>>>> #+end_src
>>>>>
>>>>> Does this behavior and patch look reasonable? If I don't hear by
>>>>> the
>>>>> end of the day I will apply this patch, I just wanted to check
>>>>> first
>>>>> on
>>>>> list as the export mechanisms aren't my personal area of
>>>>> expertise.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks -- Eric
>>>>>
>>>>> diff --git a/lisp/org-latex.el b/lisp/org-latex.el
>>>>> index a261171..66541de 100644
>>>>> --- a/lisp/org-latex.el
>>>>> +++ b/lisp/org-latex.el
>>>>> @@ -1741,7 +1741,7 @@ The conversion is made depending of STRING-
>>>>> BEFORE and STRING-AFTER."
>>>>> (org-table-last-column-widths (copy-sequence
>>>>> org-table-last-column-
>>>>> widths))
>>>>> fnum fields line lines olines gr colgropen line-fmt
>>>>> align
>>>>> - caption shortn label attr floatp placement longtblp)
>>>>> + caption shortn label attr floatp placement longtblp
>>>>> tblenv tblrenv)
>>>>> (if org-export-latex-tables-verbatim
>>>>> (let* ((tbl (concat "\\begin{verbatim}\n" raw-table
>>>>> "\\end{verbatim}\n")))
>>>>> @@ -1758,6 +1758,15 @@ The conversion is made depending of STRING-
>>>>> BEFORE and STRING-AFTER."
>>>>> 'org-label raw-table)
>>>>> longtblp (and attr (stringp attr)
>>>>> (string-match "\\<longtable\\>"
>>>>> attr))
>>>>> + tblenv (if (and attr (stringp attr)
>>>>> + (string-match (regexp-quote "table*") attr))
>>>>> + "table*" "table")
>>>>> + org-export-latex-tabular-environment
>>>>> + (if (and attr (stringp attr)
>>>>> + (string-match (regexp-quote "tabularx") attr))
>>>>> + "tabularx"
>>>>> + (if (string-match (regexp-quote "tabulary") attr)
>>>>> + "tabulary" org-export-latex-tabular-environment))
>>>>> align (and attr (stringp attr)
>>>>> (string-match "\\<align=\\([^ \t\n\r]+\
>>>>> \)" attr)
>>>>> (match-string 1 attr))
>>>>> @@ -1821,7 +1830,8 @@ The conversion is made depending of STRING-
>>>>> BEFORE and STRING-AFTER."
>>>>> (concat
>>>>> (if longtblp
>>>>> (concat "\\begin{longtable}{" align "}
>>>>> \n")
>>>>> - (if floatp (format "\\begin{table}%s\n"
>>>>> placement)))
>>>>> + (if floatp
>>>>> + (format "\\begin{%s}%s\n" tblenv placement)))
>>>>> (if floatp
>>>>> (format
>>>>> "\\caption%s{%s} %s"
>>>>> @@ -1852,7 +1862,7 @@ The conversion is made depending of STRING-
>>>>> BEFORE and STRING-AFTER."
>>>>> "\n\\end{center}\n"
>>>>> "\n"))
>>>>> (if longtblp
>>>>> "\\end{longtable}"
>>>>> - (if floatp "\\end{table}"))))
>>>>> + (if floatp (format "\\end{%s}"
>>>>> tblenv)))))
>>>>> "\n\n"))))))))
>>>>>
>>>>> (defun org-export-latex-convert-table.el-table ()
>>>>>
>>>>> "Eric Schulte" <schulte.eric@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Tom,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the informative list. I had no idea LaTeX supported
>>>>>> so
>>>>>> many
>>>>>> table options. How about I update the patch so that is supports
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> following sets of mutually exclusive options...
>>>>>> - longtable :: wraps the table in a longtable with no table or
>>>>>> tabular
>>>>>> wrappers -- already implemented
>>>>>> - table* :: replaces =table= wrapper with =table*= wrapper,
>>>>>> contains an
>>>>>> inner tabular wrapper
>>>>>> - tabular[xy] :: specifies the inner tabular wrapping
>>>>>> environment,
>>>>>> only
>>>>>> one can be specified
>>>>>>
>>>>>> so for example, the following
>>>>>>
>>>>>> #+begin_src org
>>>>>> #+CAPTION: A wide table
>>>>>> #+LABEL: tbl:wide
>>>>>> #+ATTR_LaTeX: table* tabulary align=l|lp{3cm}r|l
>>>>>> | ... | ... |
>>>>>> | ... | ... |
>>>>>> #+end_src
>>>>>>
>>>>>> results in the following
>>>>>>
>>>>>> #+begin_src latex
>>>>>> \begin{table*}[htb]
>>>>>> \caption{A wide table} \label{tbl:wide}
>>>>>> \begin{center}
>>>>>> \begin{tabulary}{l|lp{3cm}r|l}
>>>>>> 1 & 2 & 3 \\
>>>>>> 4 & 5 & 6 \\
>>>>>> \end{tabulary}
>>>>>> \end{center}
>>>>>> \end{table*}
>>>>>> #+end_src
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then the next question would be how to insert a =figure*= instead
>>>>>> of a
>>>>>> simple =figure= environment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks -- Eric
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thomas S. Dye <tsd@tsdye.com> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Eric,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It would be great to have a more general solution. Tables are
>>>>>>> hard to
>>>>>>> typeset, so it might take a while to come up with a good
>>>>>>> specification. Here is what I know about the LaTeX side of
>>>>>>> things.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ** LaTeX destinations for an Org-mode table
>>>>>>> *** Environments for typesetting a table
>>>>>>> - table placed in the output where it occurs in the input
>>>>>>> - all of these environments can be used on their own
>>>>>>> **** tabular
>>>>>>> standard LaTeX environment, doesn't break across pages, no
>>>>>>> caption
>>>>>>> **** tabularx
>>>>>>> extended environment that can automatically calculate column
>>>>>>> widths and wrap text within table cells, doesn't break across
>>>>>>> pages, no caption
>>>>>>> **** tabulary
>>>>>>> like tabularx, but tries harder to come up with optimal column
>>>>>>> widths
>>>>>>> **** supertabular
>>>>>>> extended tabular environment that breaks across pages,
>>>>>>> includes
>>>>>>> caption
>>>>>>> **** supertabular*
>>>>>>> like supertabular, but for wide tables in a multicolumn page
>>>>>>> layout
>>>>>>> **** mpsupertabular
>>>>>>> like supertabular, but also handles footnotes within the table
>>>>>>> **** mpsupertabular*
>>>>>>> like mpsupertabular, but for multicolumn page layouts
>>>>>>> **** longtable
>>>>>>> extended tabular environment that breaks across pages and
>>>>>>> includes a caption, but can't be used in a multicolumn page
>>>>>>> layout
>>>>>>> *** Environment for floating a table and adding a caption
>>>>>>> floats a table typeset by some other environment to a place in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> output that LaTeX determines appropriate, probably not where it
>>>>>>> occurs in the input
>>>>>>> **** =table=, single column document
>>>>>>> typically wraps a =tabular=, =tabularx=, or =tabulary=
>>>>>>> environment
>>>>>>> **** =table*=, multi-column document
>>>>>>> typically wraps a =tabular=, =tabularx=, or =tabulary=
>>>>>>> environment
>>>>>>> *** "Typical" uses
>>>>>>> In our report production work we regularly use seven setups:
>>>>>>> - table or table* wrapped around tabularx or tabular
>>>>>>> - longtable
>>>>>>> - tabular or tabularx on their own
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> hth,
>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>> On Dec 15, 2010, at 11:33 AM, Eric Schulte wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The attached patch allows the use of table* latex tables from
>>>>>>>> within
>>>>>>>> Org
>>>>>>>> mode documents using the attr_latex lines, for example
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> #+CAPTION: A wide table
>>>>>>>> #+LABEL: tbl:wide
>>>>>>>> #+ATTR_LaTeX: table* align=l|lp{3cm}r|l
>>>>>>>> | ... | ... |
>>>>>>>> | ... | ... |
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Should this be added, or should we put together a more general
>>>>>>>> solution
>>>>>>>> for different types of table environments? Currently only
>>>>>>>> longtable
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> supported. Also, is there already a way to do this that I have
>>>>>>>> missed?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks -- Eric
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> diff --git a/lisp/org-latex.el b/lisp/org-latex.el
>>>>>>>> index a261171..b7f48d3 100644
>>>>>>>> --- a/lisp/org-latex.el
>>>>>>>> +++ b/lisp/org-latex.el
>>>>>>>> @@ -1741,7 +1741,7 @@ The conversion is made depending of
>>>>>>>> STRING-
>>>>>>>> BEFORE and STRING-AFTER."
>>>>>>>> (org-table-last-column-widths (copy-sequence
>>>>>>>> org-table-last-column-
>>>>>>>> widths))
>>>>>>>> fnum fields line lines olines gr colgropen line-fmt
>>>>>>>> align
>>>>>>>> - caption shortn label attr floatp placement
>>>>>>>> longtblp)
>>>>>>>> + caption shortn label attr floatp placement
>>>>>>>> longtblp
>>>>>>>> tblenv)
>>>>>>>> (if org-export-latex-tables-verbatim
>>>>>>>> (let* ((tbl (concat "\\begin{verbatim}\n" raw-table
>>>>>>>> "\\end{verbatim}\n")))
>>>>>>>> @@ -1758,6 +1758,9 @@ The conversion is made depending of
>>>>>>>> STRING-
>>>>>>>> BEFORE and STRING-AFTER."
>>>>>>>> 'org-label raw-table)
>>>>>>>> longtblp (and attr (stringp attr)
>>>>>>>> (string-match "\\<longtable\\>"
>>>>>>>> attr))
>>>>>>>> + tblenv (if (and attr (stringp attr)
>>>>>>>> + (string-match (regexp-quote "table*") attr))
>>>>>>>> + "table*" "table")
>>>>>>>> align (and attr (stringp attr)
>>>>>>>> (string-match "\\<align=\\([^
>>>>>>>> \t\n\r]
>>>>>>>> +\
>>>>>>>> \)" attr)
>>>>>>>> (match-string 1 attr))
>>>>>>>> @@ -1821,7 +1824,8 @@ The conversion is made depending of
>>>>>>>> STRING-
>>>>>>>> BEFORE and STRING-AFTER."
>>>>>>>> (concat
>>>>>>>> (if longtblp
>>>>>>>> (concat "\\begin{longtable}{" align "}
>>>>>>>> \n")
>>>>>>>> - (if floatp (format "\\begin{table}%s
>>>>>>>> \n"
>>>>>>>> placement)))
>>>>>>>> + (if floatp
>>>>>>>> + (format "\\begin{%s}%s\n" tblenv placement)))
>>>>>>>> (if floatp
>>>>>>>> (format
>>>>>>>> "\\caption%s{%s} %s"
>>>>>>>> @@ -1852,7 +1856,7 @@ The conversion is made depending of
>>>>>>>> STRING-
>>>>>>>> BEFORE and STRING-AFTER."
>>>>>>>> "\n\\end{center}\n"
>>>>>>>> "\n"))
>>>>>>>> (if longtblp
>>>>>>>> "\\end{longtable}"
>>>>>>>> - (if floatp "\\end{table}"))))
>>>>>>>> + (if floatp (format "\\end{%s}"
>>>>>>>> tblenv)))))
>>>>>>>> "\n\n"))))))))
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (defun org-export-latex-convert-table.el-table ()
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2010-12-15 21:33 allow table* specification with #+ATTR_LaTeX: Eric Schulte
2010-12-16 4:27 ` Thomas S. Dye
2010-12-16 13:16 ` Eric Schulte
2010-12-16 14:43 ` Eric Schulte
2010-12-16 15:42 ` Thomas S. Dye
2010-12-17 0:57 ` Eric Schulte
2010-12-17 16:21 ` Thomas S. Dye
2010-12-17 20:39 ` Eric Schulte
2010-12-17 20:44 ` Carsten Dominik
2010-12-17 21:01 ` Eric Schulte
2010-12-17 21:04 ` Carsten Dominik
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