From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp10.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms5.migadu.com with LMTPS id tutgHv8A0mPPxQAAbAwnHQ (envelope-from ) for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2023 05:26:39 +0100 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp10.migadu.com with LMTPS id AAKlHP8A0mMgagEAG6o9tA (envelope-from ) for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2023 05:26:39 +0100 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EE2B417B32 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2023 05:26:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pKtps-0006AS-FU; Wed, 25 Jan 2023 23:26:04 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pKtpr-0006AI-00 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2023 23:26:03 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pKtpq-0007tA-N8; Wed, 25 Jan 2023 23:26:02 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=SAoTLLbMYofSOwNi1RP4RP1xy9Sh+Z0D0JPHSlcRz0U=; b=oXVqG5MAw6cY isniKi8zZxda8B5gWnPlcwTjaXz7qPrZ6KXgDuu4ZYttGFZY716kspYTIMwqrprMAV2SFFq4E9g3B h3MuPYKl1unR95zKbHIiSSC/YYwHuMFM4mrD/Bb/XsQB9vNq3s6zaWFtHWPiikr5VzeWan/DLyctu 5Z7o8N2dN2CJiMBs5Pes3IJ6VRkZ79c/eeBLvpStEgSWFw6YGyUFRV94gNN2L79Kkk19ayTVIoAdH OhgQysJe7isKz/06B58ghTDbJT4rKJJ3ZjvION3GSlrjq23xiV2etxRR7BO/E0nyV8wd+Ohzkb72n vFxNnMUFiOKNp8LSxjlReQ==; Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pKtpq-00086w-9s; Wed, 25 Jan 2023 23:26:02 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Ihor Radchenko Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <87y1pte7x1.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Mon, 23 Jan 2023 12:45:30 +0000) Subject: Re: Supporting non-free SQL clients in ob-sql (was: [PATCH] ob-sql: Add support for Athena) References: <874jsqbvfq.fsf@kraus.my> <87358an35i.fsf@localhost> <63c5b8db.170a0220.e466f.2573@mx.google.com> <87o7qxmr6y.fsf@kraus.my> <87fsc9iifs.fsf@localhost> <87y1pte7x1.fsf@localhost> Message-Id: Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2023 23:26:02 -0500 X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1674707199; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=DJGFuS+o8FGbtxe6RzyVuGy+BvMOs3WoITGSxJLifkiOdfzMmguRGR08d1hOLoRnxx2TCs tBQr6Q/EO/+lx8o3dfvpxsYpEzgVVl3KPc6IqaK5dZqKpC6I5u8tEnyUkltmoEo1+Bnbyz Sz2rjfG9XZlVecAdatwnzVXfqYdJpzmk1P6UYzC9BUS1MkN88l4pf6V19l04nOWOrjB2NU R1iGAuBQ1RVCIQi985AV1YUob7CZHdBKbaXAF23fmIlzUsRZFDOhnNq/qbZS2w+NVT0J4Q sbxmLhQg9k87QSAMP2c8sFJwlHf1uER26zJcLHNbu6M6GcOjfsZLsYnt4wlGTw== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1674707199; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=SAoTLLbMYofSOwNi1RP4RP1xy9Sh+Z0D0JPHSlcRz0U=; b=hh9I1wb+uTb+yq1PJJJwBZoMrDXOauuNDnQZy55fsNMfSqlAKPY+lsSnEp/+lyrxOnpzX3 irz5z6deu0+WZxej/EYTdixz8hJx9E927XtdC//Wf7AHFvhmC8xpTnGS0r+M0kd4e6LSwJ KZdytj64+5Gxnku1aedU/+Xo6rxCkaozMM8P9ZXwfQLX+mGjPMAC2OB10c4VP2CVDZciHE kwD5VWEs/wiK0CW9qUMY0CK8C4AGRSPOhR69yUvy4XyT56Lo+JhmP9mWR6iSo9kvRw3fuG xUMR+4ovlGE69XZ5uFcPttG6I5iLDNUEAqzbYyeq6eATmfZjupqXsp1WrmiOpA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=oXVqG5MA; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.31 X-Spam-Score: -4.31 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: EE2B417B32 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=oXVqG5MA; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org X-TUID: +ONGftwJoGXE [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I am not sure about SaaSS - even postgresql (free software) may be used > as a service provider by running it on server the user does not control. For sure, it CAN be used that way. If a Lisp package is designed to work with a subprocess, a user can certainly rig it to talk with a remote server. It is the nature of free software that people can customize it, even so as to do something foolish with it. When a user does this, it's per responsibility, not ours. We should not distribute specific support or recommendations to use the Lisp package in that particular way. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)