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If I tried to install it as usual (M-x list-packages, then > > install the package from there), I had errors during compilation > > related to `org-assert-version`, and then if I restarted Emacs, I > > would get a fatal error in an unrelated package. > > > > I managed to solve that problem by: > > 1. uninstalling Org 9.6 and exiting Emacs, 2. starting Emacs with -q, > > 3. installing Org 9.6 from there (using M-x list-packages as usual), > > 4. restarting Emacs. >=20 > Interesting! I tried this (essentially) and it worked for my case. In m= y case, I > had a built-in Org-9.3 and I was trying to use list-packages to install O= rg-9.6. I > checked that using -q still added Org-9.3 to the load-path, but, since Or= g > wasn't loaded, the install via list-packages worked. >=20 > The question is what's the proper way of doing this without '-q'? >=20 > > I'm not sure this is related to your problem, or whether that helps > > (but I hope it does)... >=20 > I think it does. >=20 > Side note: >=20 > In my testing, I found a strange case where, in *scratch*, I get: >=20 > (message "%s" org-version) > ;; Error undefined > ;; Do 'C-h v org-version' > (message "%s" org-version) > 9.3 >=20 > So, 'describe-variable' on org-version causes Org to be loaded?!? [Cook,= Malcolm]=20 Yes. See https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/elisp/Autoloa= d-by-Prefix.html But it will NOT be autoloaded if you first: (clrhash definition-prefixes) HTH & YMMV, Malcolm > Why do I > have a feeling this is related to this bug? Yeah, I'm not sure what you consider the bug to be now. Remind me? >=20 > -- > David Masterson