* diary-remind, and org-agenda, and remember
@ 2009-09-10 23:15 Desmond Rivet
2009-09-11 3:16 ` Matt Lundin
0 siblings, 1 reply; 3+ messages in thread
From: Desmond Rivet @ 2009-09-10 23:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Hi all,
I'm trying to implement a quick and easy way to add birthday reminder
functionality to my orgmode setup. For this purpose, I've been using
sexp's like this (for example):
%%(diary-remind '(diary-date 9 20 t) -14) John's birthday..
When these appear in an org file, I get a reminder in the agenda
timeline view everyday for 14 days preceding the date in question.
Seems to work okay.
I have, however, been noticing some weirdness. Or maybe I just
misunderstand how this all works.
For example, this will work in an org file (the reminders show up on the
agenda):
* Birthdays
%%(diary-remind '(diary-date 1 6 t) -14) Suzie's birthday.
%%(diary-remind '(diary-date 11 5 t) -14) John's birthday.
But this will *not* work in an org file (the reminders do *not* show
up):
* Birthdays
** %%(diary-remind '(diary-date 1 6 t) -14) Suzie's birthday.
** %%(diary-remind '(diary-date 11 5 t) -14) John's birthday.
I'm using the latest orgmode from the repository.
Anyway, this normally wouldn't be too much of a bother except that I'm
experimenting with org-remember to add the dates, and this seems to have
its own problems.
(I was recently having trouble with using '%' signs in the org remember
templates, but this particular problem has been solved. Thanks!)
For example, when I have this in my dates.org file:
* Birthday
%%(diary-remind '(diary-date 1 6 t) -14) Suzie's birthday.
%%(diary-remind '(diary-date 11 5 t) -14) John's birthday.
with a remember template that looks like this:
(setq org-remember-templates
'(
("Birthday" ?b "%\\%(diary-remind '(diary-date %^{Month} %^{Day} t) -%^{Remind days}) %^{Brief Description}%?" "~/pim/gtd/dates.org" "Birthdays")
)
)
then I get this when I finish with C-c C-c:
* Birthdays
%%(diary-remind '(diary-date 1 6 t) -14) Suzie's birthday.
%%(diary-remind '(diary-date 11 5 t) -14) John's birthday.
** Thu Sep 10 19:06:55 2009 (%%(diary-remind '(diary-date 12 12 t) -12) 12)
%%(diary-remind '(diary-date 12 12 t) -12) 12
This is not what I was expecting. I'm not sure what's happening there.
Of course, if I set up my dates.org to look like this:
* Birthdays
** %%(diary-remind '(diary-date 1 6 t) -14) Suzie's birthday.
** %%(diary-remind '(diary-date 11 5 t) -14) John's birthday.
and set up my remember template like this:
(setq org-remember-templates
'(
("Birthday" ?b "* %\\%(diary-remind '(diary-date %^{Month} %^{Day} t) -%^{Remind days}) %^{Brief Description}%?" "~/pim/gtd/dates.org" "Birthdays")
)
)
I get this in dates.org when I press C-c C-c:
* Birthdays
** %%(diary-remind '(diary-date 1 6 t) -14) Suzie's birthday.
** %%(diary-remind '(diary-date 11 5 t) -14) John's birthday.
** %%(diary-remind '(diary-date 12 12 t) -12) New birthday
Which would be okay except that, as noted above, org agenda doesn't seem
to pick up on these kinds of dates when they're in a heading.
Perhaps remember isn't the right tool for this?
Any advice is appreciated. Thanks in advance!
--
Desmond Rivet
Pain is weakness leaving the body.
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* Re: diary-remind, and org-agenda, and remember
2009-09-10 23:15 diary-remind, and org-agenda, and remember Desmond Rivet
@ 2009-09-11 3:16 ` Matt Lundin
2009-09-11 3:49 ` Carsten Dominik
0 siblings, 1 reply; 3+ messages in thread
From: Matt Lundin @ 2009-09-11 3:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Desmond Rivet; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
Desmond Rivet <desmond.rivet@videotron.ca> writes:
>
> For example, this will work in an org file (the reminders show up on the
> agenda):
>
> * Birthdays
> %%(diary-remind '(diary-date 1 6 t) -14) Suzie's birthday.
> %%(diary-remind '(diary-date 11 5 t) -14) John's birthday.
>
> But this will *not* work in an org file (the reminders do *not* show
> up):
>
> * Birthdays
> ** %%(diary-remind '(diary-date 1 6 t) -14) Suzie's birthday.
> ** %%(diary-remind '(diary-date 11 5 t) -14) John's birthday.
>
> I'm using the latest orgmode from the repository.
>
> Anyway, this normally wouldn't be too much of a bother except that I'm
> experimenting with org-remember to add the dates, and this seems to have
> its own problems.
>
> (I was recently having trouble with using '%' signs in the org remember
> templates, but this particular problem has been solved. Thanks!)
>
> For example, when I have this in my dates.org file:
>
> * Birthday
> %%(diary-remind '(diary-date 1 6 t) -14) Suzie's birthday.
> %%(diary-remind '(diary-date 11 5 t) -14) John's birthday.
>
> with a remember template that looks like this:
>
> (setq org-remember-templates
> '(
> ("Birthday" ?b "%\\%(diary-remind '(diary-date %^{Month} %^{Day} t) -%^{Remind days}) %^{Brief Description}%?" "~/pim/gtd/dates.org" "Birthdays")
> )
> )
>
> then I get this when I finish with C-c C-c:
>
> * Birthdays
> %%(diary-remind '(diary-date 1 6 t) -14) Suzie's birthday.
> %%(diary-remind '(diary-date 11 5 t) -14) John's birthday.
> ** Thu Sep 10 19:06:55 2009 (%%(diary-remind '(diary-date 12 12 t) -12) 12)
> %%(diary-remind '(diary-date 12 12 t) -12) 12
>
I think org-remember automatically adds a heading for purposes of
filing. Otherwise remember items could easily get lost.
Would something like this work?
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
(setq org-remember-templates
'(
("Birthday" ?b "* %^{Title}\n %\\%(diary-remind '(diary-date %^{Month} %^{Day} t) %^{Remind days}) %^{Brief Description}%?" "~/pim/gtd/dates.org" "Birthdays")
)
)
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
I'm wondering, though, whether it wouldn't be easier to navigate to the
birthdays heading and simply kill, yank, and edit to create a new
birthday, e.g.,
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
* Birthday
%%(diary-remind '(diary-date 1 6 t) -14) Suzie's birthday.
%%(diary-remind '(diary-date 11 5 t) -14) John's birthday.
%%(diary-remind '(diary-date 3 5 t) -14) George's birthday.
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
Adding George's birthday just took me only a few seconds.
Best,
Matt
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* Re: Re: diary-remind, and org-agenda, and remember
2009-09-11 3:16 ` Matt Lundin
@ 2009-09-11 3:49 ` Carsten Dominik
0 siblings, 0 replies; 3+ messages in thread
From: Carsten Dominik @ 2009-09-11 3:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Matt Lundin; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
On Sep 11, 2009, at 5:16 AM, Matt Lundin wrote:
> Desmond Rivet <desmond.rivet@videotron.ca> writes:
>>
>> For example, this will work in an org file (the reminders show up
>> on the
>> agenda):
>>
>> * Birthdays
>> %%(diary-remind '(diary-date 1 6 t) -14) Suzie's birthday.
>> %%(diary-remind '(diary-date 11 5 t) -14) John's birthday.
>>
>> But this will *not* work in an org file (the reminders do *not* show
>> up):
>>
>> * Birthdays
>> ** %%(diary-remind '(diary-date 1 6 t) -14) Suzie's birthday.
>> ** %%(diary-remind '(diary-date 11 5 t) -14) John's birthday.
>>
>> I'm using the latest orgmode from the repository.
>>
>> Anyway, this normally wouldn't be too much of a bother except that
>> I'm
>> experimenting with org-remember to add the dates, and this seems to
>> have
>> its own problems.
>>
>> (I was recently having trouble with using '%' signs in the org
>> remember
>> templates, but this particular problem has been solved. Thanks!)
>>
>> For example, when I have this in my dates.org file:
>>
>> * Birthday
>> %%(diary-remind '(diary-date 1 6 t) -14) Suzie's birthday.
>> %%(diary-remind '(diary-date 11 5 t) -14) John's birthday.
>>
>> with a remember template that looks like this:
>>
>> (setq org-remember-templates
>> '(
>> ("Birthday" ?b "%\\%(diary-remind '(diary-date %^{Month}
>> %^{Day} t) -%^{Remind days}) %^{Brief Description}%?" "~/pim/gtd/
>> dates.org" "Birthdays")
>> )
>> )
>>
>> then I get this when I finish with C-c C-c:
>>
>> * Birthdays
>> %%(diary-remind '(diary-date 1 6 t) -14) Suzie's birthday.
>> %%(diary-remind '(diary-date 11 5 t) -14) John's birthday.
>> ** Thu Sep 10 19:06:55 2009 (%%(diary-remind '(diary-date 12 12
>> t) -12) 12)
>> %%(diary-remind '(diary-date 12 12 t) -12) 12
>>
>
> I think org-remember automatically adds a heading for purposes of
> filing. Otherwise remember items could easily get lost.
>
> Would something like this work?
>
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> (setq org-remember-templates
> '(
> ("Birthday" ?b "* %^{Title}\n %\\%(diary-remind '(diary-
> date %^{Month} %^{Day} t) %^{Remind days}) %^{Brief Description}
> %?" "~/pim/gtd/dates.org" "Birthdays")
> )
> )
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>
> I'm wondering, though, whether it wouldn't be easier to navigate to
> the
> birthdays heading and simply kill, yank, and edit to create a new
> birthday, e.g.,
>
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> * Birthday
> %%(diary-remind '(diary-date 1 6 t) -14) Suzie's birthday.
> %%(diary-remind '(diary-date 11 5 t) -14) John's birthday.
> %%(diary-remind '(diary-date 3 5 t) -14) George's birthday.
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>
> Adding George's birthday just took me only a few seconds.
Good point. How often during a day do you hear about a new birthday
you need to add? Remember is really for repetitive stuff one
does all the time. Setting up a remember template for this
tasks takes probably more time than it will ever save you.
Desmond, if you insist: Use a separate file for these, and use
the symbol `bottom' as the headline specification.
- Carsten
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