From: Torsten Wagner <torsten.wagner@gmail.com>
To: Org Mode Mailing List <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: are super-hidden technical blocks required?
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 12:12:48 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPaq-gMmAnepk7bhR9YfNf2cqSTM-OY=sxnuXvFj2YCOuYKOMg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPaq-gPEPrun74X_m-ULQpZgs3BLu_zTG0WR=9B9DoJQkok6wg@mail.gmail.com>
Hi,
I would say this discussion is just showing how difficult it becomes
to save all extra information provided by more and more 3rd party
tools in a smart way in plain-text.
I can understand both arguments
* hide stuff which is not useful or needed for the user vs.
* its my data and my file, I want to know what is stored in it.
The extra property line is really verbose if the only element inside
is a ID, a timestamp, or some other "technical" stuff.
Imagine a single list of task each only a view words on a single line.
The property drawer adds three lines to this just to add an ID. Even
collapsed it still doubles the amount of lines.
However, hiding even the collapsed property line has the danger that
people might forget about it and that devs need to make sure that by
any possible way of copy and pasting (and emacs knows many ways) those
hidden lines are not left behind, that text get not added in between
and the syntax remain valid for all kind of operation.
I am unsure how to deal with this. Any kind of font face, special
character, etc. on the next line below the title does not really give
any win. There will be still a second line per tree-node.
Adding something to the title line itself is tricky too. The title
line is rather full already with all the possible features.
I still prefer the proposed selective masking of properties to hide
them. In addition maybe a flag can be set to
+ hide a property drawer line,
+ set a different font face,
+ or leave it as it is
for the special case that the property drawer only contains hidden properties.
But I frighten that this, even it might be the most flexible solution,
might also be the most complex one to implement.
So how to satisfy both views, a clutter free view and the awareness of
what is saved in your file?
Torsten
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-08-07 3:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-07-30 2:26 are super-hidden technical blocks required? Torsten Wagner
2012-07-30 7:26 ` Bastien
2012-07-30 10:27 ` Rasmus
2012-07-30 14:27 ` Russell Adams
[not found] ` <CAPaq-gMV-+n6OAN4PnBsh1eiJ5wA=Ns_m_qwHqz1pxbOxeYCCQ@mail.gmail.com>
2012-07-31 2:04 ` Fwd: " Torsten Wagner
2012-07-30 14:42 ` Ivy Foster
2012-07-30 15:23 ` Jonathan Leech-Pepin
2012-07-31 13:23 ` Robert Horn
2012-07-31 13:47 ` Torsten Wagner
2012-08-04 18:10 ` Ilya Shlyakhter
2012-08-05 9:16 ` Bastien
2012-08-05 20:04 ` Ilya Shlyakhter
2012-08-05 22:20 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2012-08-05 22:50 ` Ilya Shlyakhter
2012-08-06 2:46 ` Torsten Wagner
2012-08-06 3:01 ` Ilya Shlyakhter
2012-08-06 12:12 ` Jonathan Leech-Pepin
2012-08-06 17:25 ` Ilya Shlyakhter
2012-08-06 18:16 ` Allen S. Rout
2012-08-06 19:01 ` Michael Brand
2012-08-07 21:29 ` Ilya Shlyakhter
2012-07-31 2:48 ` Torsten Wagner
2012-08-01 13:29 ` Bastien
2012-08-02 1:19 ` Torsten Wagner
2012-08-06 15:02 ` Christopher J. White
2012-08-01 17:11 ` Achim Gratz
2012-08-01 18:39 ` Bernt Hansen
2012-08-01 18:49 ` Achim Gratz
2012-08-02 1:16 ` Torsten Wagner
2012-08-02 15:10 ` Bastien
2012-08-07 21:33 ` Ilya Shlyakhter
2012-08-02 13:01 ` babel awk with table input: Code block produced no output Greg Minshall
2012-08-02 13:21 ` Sebastien Vauban
2012-08-03 2:08 ` [BUG] Traceback on Org-Export Luis Anaya
2012-08-03 7:19 ` Bastien
2012-08-03 10:27 ` Luis Anaya
2012-08-04 13:06 ` Achim Gratz
2012-08-04 14:13 ` Achim Gratz
2012-08-04 17:58 ` Bastien
2012-08-04 21:07 ` Achim Gratz
2012-08-05 9:44 ` Bastien
2012-08-05 15:44 ` Achim Gratz
2012-08-03 10:43 ` Luis Anaya
2012-08-03 11:17 ` Giovanni Ridolfi
2012-08-03 11:32 ` Luis Anaya
2012-08-03 14:34 ` Nick Dokos
2012-08-03 20:09 ` Achim Gratz
2012-08-05 23:57 ` babel awk with table input: Code block produced no output Greg Minshall
2012-08-06 1:36 ` Thomas S. Dye
2012-08-06 4:59 ` Greg Minshall
2012-08-06 15:37 ` Change: no longer automatically evaluate embedded elisp in code block output Was: " Eric Schulte
2012-08-08 5:00 ` Greg Minshall
2012-08-07 3:12 ` Torsten Wagner [this message]
2012-08-07 10:23 ` are super-hidden technical blocks required? Bastien
2012-08-07 13:20 ` Torsten Wagner
2012-08-07 13:39 ` Christopher J. White
2012-08-07 14:11 ` Torsten Wagner
2012-08-07 14:30 ` Robert Horn
2012-08-14 9:58 ` Bastien
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