From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Reuben Thomas Subject: Re: Remove Org from Emacs repository? Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 23:32:22 +0000 Message-ID: References: <871sx5pp6u.fsf@laptoptop.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c075f46023aa90543f737ef Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55060) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cIkwK-0001TO-Qb for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2016 18:32:25 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cIkwJ-0006tH-KQ for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2016 18:32:24 -0500 Received: from mail-qk0-x231.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400d:c09::231]:35048) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cIkwJ-0006t5-Cy for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2016 18:32:23 -0500 Received: by mail-qk0-x231.google.com with SMTP id n204so143550417qke.2 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2016 15:32:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: Samuel Wales Cc: "emacs-orgmode@gnu.org" , aaermolov@gmail.com --94eb2c075f46023aa90543f737ef Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 18 December 2016 at 19:21, Samuel Wales wrote: > auto-mode-alist has more than 200 entries. we're gonna remove .org? > =E2=80=8BOrg is nearly 90kLOC, or about 6.5% of the total ELisp code curren= tly in Emacs. It's bigger than CEDET, smaller than GNUS. It's a project of its own with its own release cadence. It would be good to make Emacs less of a monolithic entity, which needs lengthy debugging cycles between releases, and has to choose between being out of date with various upstreams, or delaying to test integration of big packages. Now that package.el is mature, there's no need for Emacs to include all this stuff in its source releases. What emacs -Q does is a different matter: there's plenty of scope to ship a variety of packages "out of the box". Various customised Emacs "distributions" already do this. "you must install org to view this format" is a bit too minimal for my > taste. :) sounds like adobe flash. :) > =E2=80=8BI'm sure plenty of Emacs users never open an Org-mode file. Why=E2= =80=8B should they have to install it? surely this topic was raised to have a bit of fun seeing all the > responses? :) > =E2=80=8BNo, I was just testing the waters to see if a more modern approach= to development and distribution might be popular. Apparently the answer is, at least, not yet! --=20 http://rrt.sc3d.org --94eb2c075f46023aa90543f737ef Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On = 18 December 2016 at 19:21, Samuel Wales <samologist@gmail.com> wrote:
auto-mode-alist has more than 200 entries.= =C2=A0 we're gonna remove .org?

=E2=80=8BOrg is nearly = 90kLOC, or about 6.5% of the total ELisp code currently in Emacs. It's = bigger than CEDET, smaller than GNUS.

It's a project of its own with its own release cadence. It= would be good to make Emacs less of a monolithic entity, which needs lengt= hy debugging cycles between releases, and has to choose between being out o= f date with various upstreams, or delaying to test integration of big packa= ges.

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Now that package.el = is mature, there's no need for Emacs to include all this stuff in its s= ource releases.

What emac= s -Q does is a different matter: there's plenty of scope to ship a vari= ety of packages "out of the box". Various customised Emacs "= distributions" already do this.

"you must install org to view this format" is = a bit too minimal for my
taste.=C2=A0 :)=C2=A0 sounds like adobe flash.=C2=A0 :)

=E2= =80=8BI'm sure plenty of Emacs users never open an Org-mode file. Why= =E2=80=8B should they have to install it?

surely this topic was raised to have a bit of fun s= eeing all the responses?=C2=A0 :)

=E2=80=8BNo, I w= as just testing the waters to see if a more modern approach to development = and distribution might be popular. Apparently the answer is, at least, not = yet!

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