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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1622038327; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=mQigc2EsMArC2pHWT34o6FrTrFtBojdGx958zl2XlE0=; b=SJH7ejNQK/74JbQgByE/V+G04D1EfYSF5mOXQmsvtJCnPmBokAP/GRl71JPsE093q8AV27 Oe/05RRc5QjzkSBU4G7xMIRGS6MJvocLhVTUtc/9Ldsp6c92djZuqrAmcqfJjJ+kWI6L1R fFDkYYU4AZkHHa6FjY+UDPFSPfiT1OFrFmGoM1/iq1jUGTvV5pFun9GC8gbGBkhAPMuxcV pjitUXcGVz17nLduukT9Q/ZqxA5yrKB3WS03kdnmxz/OM6bT03Sbx3wsHtwdD7xsOSaE4K chO66QH8Cydfe6u84g5d3+eTCE7iETh1dTKq8Ni3x6Ot4yzWXpId0ozGpvVJVg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1622038327; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Nai9qdyo0fM6GM7/FumGQ2dzIszrjcsVUgjBJ4lSTIVL3n4YNnNNK/zisBv4R6l+hqg7J9 IA1ArPO/O85TNqYXBq4oJNNiMn2xGmrP/lGP/ZwxsFq2/2iXtlURb7jHMSPhl4W25YE38/ UA2/xuRpvdKpER4iYQgtGS00kpyqW0Q8xRntXEYznsco8BJQAdU9XHnDIXGfiNEsFvcmhj MiDjNMYOyL1qr4SNQkMm28YpRvYOZjNKWhHJDdqyvckXLqQHgva6cJKk9ZeMbt47r1m0wT LJeAB3rg55cuTWugbUuMrKj2apSTJbPhXdd7+get5bu4nT4qnkJxBfVAu/R1JQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=fa2eOVSj; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.13 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=fa2eOVSj; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 6A7519E71 X-Spam-Score: -3.13 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: YBJqhWRph/Ie --0000000000002f290205c33c35c6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I am not an emacs contributor, but I think Jonas is saying, "I love emacs and I am the primary author of one of the two most important emacs packages. If contributing to emacs is frustrating even for me, think how many people will give up. We need to change our culture." I would be very careful about describing him as "attention-seeking." He is a very diligent and responsive package maintainer who works *constantly* to improve an important piece of emacs infrastructure. On Tue., May 25, 2021, 2:53 a.m. Jean Louis, wrote: > * Ypo [2021-05-25 06:09]: > > I think he is the creator of the magit package. > > OK, it's not Org related and is not a direct post... It is just > an attention seeking... Tweet. > > I am following emacs-devel mailing list, who wish to contribute > package to Emacs is very welcome to do so, and it is very > straightforward. > > Best way to start improvement is in my opinion with the package > creation. > > Those who wish to make changes in the core have to discuss it with > Emacs core developers, that is how it is, as newly introduced ideas > are not necessarily thought well for millions of users. > > -- > Jean > > Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: > https://www.fsf.org/campaigns > > Sign an open letter in support of Richard M. Stallman > https://stallmansupport.org/ > > --0000000000002f290205c33c35c6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am not an emacs contributor, but I think Jonas is sayin= g, "I love emacs and I am the primary author of one of the two most im= portant emacs packages. If contributing to emacs is frustrating even for me= , think how many people will give up. We need to change our culture." = I would be very careful about describing him as "attention-seeking.&qu= ot; He is a very diligent and responsive package maintainer who works *cons= tantly* to improve an important piece of emacs infrastructure.=C2=A0
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On Tue.= , May 25, 2021, 2:53 a.m. Jean Louis, <bugs@gnu.support> wrote:
* Ypo <ypuntot@gmail.com> [2021= -05-25 06:09]:
> I think he is the creator of the magit package.

OK, it's not Org related and is not a direct post... It is just
an attention seeking... Tweet.

I am following emacs-devel mailing list, who wish to contribute
package to Emacs is very welcome to do so, and it is very
straightforward.

Best way to start improvement is in my opinion with the package
creation.

Those who wish to make changes in the core have to discuss it with
Emacs core developers, that is how it is, as newly introduced ideas
are not necessarily thought well for millions of users.

--
Jean

Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns:
https://www.fsf.org/campaigns

Sign an open letter in support of Richard M. Stallman
https://stallmansupport.org/

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