From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Matt Price Subject: Re: Citation syntax: Underscore MUST(?) be allowed in cite keys? Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 10:35:41 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87pp8o1t9f.fsf@gmx.us> <87pp8o6nt9.fsf@berkeley.edu> <87fv9i9z8s.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87bnk60zhc.fsf@berkeley.edu> <54FA9AA9.9070505@gmail.com> <87r3t05okc.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87ioeci6f6.fsf@gmx.us> <87r3szk6q9.fsf@gmx.us> <87oao3yluf.fsf@berkeley.edu> <87k2yqyx55.fsf@berkeley.edu> <871tkyxgjg.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <871tkxzo16.fsf@berkeley.edu> <87385ds54y.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <87sidd2rph.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87385dtew6.fsf@gmx.us> <87ioe9p34h.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e012291a2b095750510f01045 Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52465) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YVLGG-0003qH-Eh for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Mar 2015 10:36:02 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YVLG4-0003sj-90 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Mar 2015 10:35:56 -0400 Received: from mail-lb0-x22b.google.com ([2a00:1450:4010:c04::22b]:44115) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YVLG3-0003rP-Rs for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Mar 2015 10:35:44 -0400 Received: by lbvn10 with SMTP id n10so2117851lbv.11 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2015 07:35:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87ioe9p34h.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Rasmus , Org Mode --089e012291a2b095750510f01045 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 6:18 AM, Eric S Fraga wrote: > On Tuesday, 10 Mar 2015 at 09:50, Rasmus wrote: > > Nicolas Goaziou writes: > >> Since this one is not much more intrusive than the previous one, we > >> could as well drop @key in favor of @{key}. > > > > It seems like a moderately dear price to pay for everyone with "normal" > > citation keys... It's better than @key-with-',?.'{}. > > I agree. I would rather type @key >90% of the time instead of > @{key}. For me, the alternative is more than a moderately high price to > pay! > > If we don't want a proliferation of alternative syntax, maybe we need to > impose the restriction already suggested of not allowing punctuation at > the end of a key. Solve the problem upstream... and not have the tail > wag the dog! > > But, of course, don't let this tail (me) wag the dog (the rest of you) > should the consensus be that the design is cleaner with @{key}. I'll > manage! :) > > Thanks, > eric > I also think a simpler key syntax will make htis much nmore usable. Citations are in general somewhat distracting from the writing process; every additional keystroke is gong to add to that distraction. This is true even if hand-added citations are likely to be the exception rather than the norm. > > -- > : Eric S Fraga (0xFFFCF67D), Emacs 25.0.50.1, Org > release_8.3beta-843-ga5f1a3.dirty > > --089e012291a2b095750510f01045 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 6:18 AM, Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk&g= t; wrote:
On Tuesday, 10 Mar 2015 = at 09:50, Rasmus wrote:
> Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> writes:
>> Since this one is not much more intrusive than the previous one, w= e
>> could as well drop @key in favor of @{key}.
>
> It seems like a moderately dear price to pay for everyone with "n= ormal"
> citation keys...=C2=A0 It's better than @key-with-',?.'{}.=

I agree.=C2=A0 I would rather type @key >90% of the time instead = of
@{key}.=C2=A0 For me, the alternative is more than a moderately high price = to
pay!

If we don't want a proliferation of alternative syntax, maybe we need t= o
impose the restriction already suggested of not allowing punctuation at
the end of a key.=C2=A0 Solve the problem upstream... and not have the tail=
wag the dog!

But, of course, don't let this tail (me) wag the dog (the rest of you)<= br> should the consensus be that the design is cleaner with @{key}.=C2=A0 I'= ;ll
manage!=C2=A0 :)

Thanks,
eric

I also think a simpler key syntax = will make htis much nmore usable. Citations are in general somewhat distrac= ting from the writing process; every additional keystroke is gong to add to= that distraction.=C2=A0 This is true even if hand-added citations are like= ly to be the exception rather than the norm.

=C2=A0

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: Eric S Fraga (0xFFFCF67D), Emacs 25.0.50.1, Org release_8.3beta-843-ga5f1= a3.dirty


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