From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Matt Price Subject: Re: zotero plain, org-odt, and citations in general Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:45:27 -0500 Message-ID: References: <81hb2drhmu.fsf@gmail.com> <81mxc4ovlh.fsf@gmail.com> <87k477hnqy.wl%egh@e6h.org> <87r51eprj7.wl%egh@e6h.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec554016ab8e85d04b179ec47 Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:37274) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ROw6U-0007kY-Dm for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:45:31 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ROw6T-0003XC-1E for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:45:30 -0500 Received: from mail-bw0-f41.google.com ([209.85.214.41]:36687) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ROw6S-0003X5-LG for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:45:28 -0500 Received: by bke17 with SMTP id 17so2874917bke.0 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:45:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87r51eprj7.wl%egh@e6h.org> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Erik Hetzner Cc: Org Mode , Jambunathan K --bcaec554016ab8e85d04b179ec47 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Erik Hetzner wrote: > At Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:51:22 -0500, > Matt Price wrote: > > > > Responding to just a few of the excellent points raised by J 7 E > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Erik Hetzner wrote: > > > > > At Thu, 10 Nov 2011 20:47:30 +0530, > > > Jambunathan K wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I should note that while the org/zotero integration in zotero-plain > > > =93works for me=94, I would welcome changes to make it more robust an= d > > > feature-full. But I use org for notes and todo lists, not for documen= t > > > production. > > This is me you are quoting, for the record. > > yes sorry, bad formatting on my part! > > > Wouldn't the rigt target be, not the sqlite db, but the Zoteor *service= * > > that runs on port 50001 when Zotero is running? Aren't there some > > higher-level tools for working through that interface -- e.g., erik, yo= ur > > rst tool uses a python library, does it talk to Zotero that way? > > the server that runs on port 50001 is undocumented, last I > checked. And there are no tools to connect to it. Frank Bennett put > together a hack of the jsbridge Firefox extension which works quite > well. [1] But that is python only, as far as I can tell. > sorry to hear about the lack of documentation. that's a bummer actually. > > [=85] > > > > so, couldn't one think of the problem as having three parts: > > (1) get emacs to talk to the zotero server; and > > (2) figure out how org/emacs should interact with citeproc > > (3) translate the org zotero links into a syntax that LibreOffice > > recognizes and can successfully manipulate > > I think that is a good summary of what needs to be done. (3) is what > zot4rst does not bother to do. > > The task of weaving together the HTML output from citeproc and your > export document can be tricky. > if tricky for you, then likely unmanageable for me. but I wonder if Zotero themselves would be interested in helping a little bit with some of this work? Seems sort of strange to build this great tool and then limit its usefulness to two hulking word processors, when really the goal of portable, reformattable citations applies just as much to text and html as to word processing documents. best, matt --bcaec554016ab8e85d04b179ec47 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Erik H= etzner <egh@e6h.org= > wrote:
At Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:51:22 -0500,
Matt Price wrote:
>
> Responding to just a few of the excellent points raised by J 7 E
>
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Erik Hetzner <egh@e6h.org> wrote:
>
> > At Thu, 10 Nov 2011 20:47:30 +0530,
> > Jambunathan K wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > I should note that while the org/zotero integration in zotero-pla= in
> > =93works for me=94, I would welcome changes to make it more robus= t and
> > feature-full. But I use org for notes and todo lists, not for doc= ument
> > production.

This is me you are quoting, for the record.

yes sorry, bad formatting on = my part!

> Wouldn't the rigt target be, not the sqlite db, but the Zoteor *se= rvice*
> that runs on port 50001 when Zotero is running? =A0Aren't there so= me
> higher-level tools for working through that interface -- e.g., erik, y= our
> rst tool uses a python library, does it talk to Zotero that way?

the server that runs on port 50001 is undocumented, last I
checked. And there are no tools to connect to it. Frank Bennett put
together a hack of the jsbridge Firefox extension which works quite
well. [1] But that is python only, as far as I can tell.

sorry to hear about the lack of documentation.=A0 that's a bumme= r actually.


> [=85]
>
> so, couldn't one think of the problem as having three parts:
> (1) get emacs to talk to the zotero server; and
> (2) figure out how org/emacs should interact with citeproc
> (3) translate the org zotero links into a syntax that LibreOffice
> recognizes and can successfully manipulate

I think that is a good summary of what needs to be done. (3) is what<= br> zot4rst does not bother to do.

The task of weaving together the HTML output from citeproc and your
export document can be tricky.
if tricky for you, then= likely unmanageable for me. =A0 but I wonder if Zotero themselves would be= interested in helping a little bit with some of this work?=A0 Seems sort o= f strange to build this great tool and then limit its usefulness to two hul= king word processors, when really the goal of portable, reformattable citat= ions applies just as much to text and html as to word processing documents.=

best,
matt
=A0
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