From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Matt Price Subject: Re: org-ref: citation types (insert full citation); bib style; bib scope Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 11:05:56 -0500 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114fd0d474a93a05456f3197 Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49299) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cPX1k-0005Fh-GR for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2017 11:06:02 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cPX1h-0001Tz-VB for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2017 11:06:00 -0500 Received: from mail-io0-x22d.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22d]:36058) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cPX1h-0001To-Ol for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2017 11:05:57 -0500 Received: by mail-io0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id p127so59615458iop.3 for ; Fri, 06 Jan 2017 08:05:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: John Kitchin Cc: Org Mode --001a114fd0d474a93a05456f3197 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 10:26 AM, John Kitchin wrote: > > Matt Price writes: > > > After several years, I'm finally trying to move to bibtex from zotero, > > partly because org-zotxt has stopped working for me (both link insertion > > and html export seem at least temporarily broken). > > > > The UI for org-ref is pretty fantastic, and I love it. I'm having trouble > > getting the behaviour I want fro mthe actual links, though. My needs may > > be somewhat atypical but I'm hoping someone else has figured these > > questions out already. > > > > * citation types > > The org-ref manual talks about different citation types, but the external > > link it suggests is not loading: > > http://ctan.unixbrain.com/macros/latex/contrib/natbib/natnotes.pdf > > try: http://tug.ctan.org/macros/latex/contrib/natbib/natnotes.pdf ok, thx. > > > > > > Does anyone know what the other options are? In particular, for the > syllabi > > I'm currently creating I'd like to just insert the org-formatted citation > > information itself -- is this possible? > > Can you give an example? > > I htink I'm looking for something impossible. org-zotxt allowed me to use a link type "citation", which just inserted the full citation in org syntax: Hayles, K. (1999). /How we became posthuman: virtual bodies in cybernetics, literature, and informatics/. Chicago, Ill.: University of Chicago Press. [[ http://search.library.utoronto.ca/details?7949488&uuid=5aaa42cf-ffd2-41e3-ac6b-60e649f9f289 ]] rather than generating a link. If I had an option to do this in my syllabi, it would greatly simplify my work flow. > > I'd like to be able to point my > > students directly to my github repo, and it will ultimately be more > > convenient to have the links already present in the source code, since > > github doesn't reoslve org-ref > > What I mean is, that I'd like to stop building course websites and instead > just point students to github repos where my docs live in an org format. > This means I reallywant the citatiion information, and not citation links. > E.g.: > https://github.com/titaniumbones/New113/blob/master/New113Syllabus.org#2017-01-26-thu-state-surveillance > > > > * bib style > > When I right-click on a link and select "copy the formatted citation", I > > don't get the URL field, which my students need. I assume that's because > > I'm not using the right bibliographic style. How do I set the citation > > format? Would I use the bibliographystyle link, or a header argument > > somewhere? > > Support for this is kind of rudimentary, because it is really difficult > to get properly formatted strings for all references. > > When you click on a cite link and select copy formatted entry what > happens is the bibfile is opened to that entry and then the result of > org-ref-bib-citation is copied. It is pretty simple, and limited. At the > moment, I think helm-bibtex does the actual formatting if you load it, > and it does not appear to be customizable. See > bibtex-completion-apa-format-reference > > I will work on this a little bit and see if some improvements can be > made. > thanks you John! > > > > > Also, is it possible to set this option to use org formatting instead of > > html formatting? > > You could use a function like this on a link to get something more > customizable. > > (defun better-formatted-citation () > (interactive) > (kill-new (org-ref-get-bibtex-entry-citation (car > (org-ref-get-bibtex-key-and-file))))) > > see the variable org-ref-bibliography-entry-format, you can set this to > be whatever format you want. > > ah, looks pretty simple, I should be able to do this. > > > > * Bibliography scope > > I guess I don't really know how to build a bibliographic file to go with > a > > particular project. At present I am using my full Zotero library > exported > > to bibtex as a default. Is there a way to just build the bibliography > from > > the set of sources cited in the paper? > > M-x org-ref-extract-bibtex-entries should put a new heading in the buffer > with the relevant bibtex entries. > > excellent, thank you! > > > > Thanks everyone, and of course especially John for this amazing tool. > > > > Matt > > > -- > Professor John Kitchin > Doherty Hall A207F > Department of Chemical Engineering > Carnegie Mellon University > Pittsburgh, PA 15213 > 412-268-7803 > @johnkitchin > http://kitchingroup.cheme.cmu.edu > --001a114fd0d474a93a05456f3197 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 10:26 AM, John Kitchin <jkitchin@andrew.c= mu.edu> wrote:

Matt Price writes:

> After several years, I'm finally trying to move to bibtex from zot= ero,
> partly because org-zotxt has stopped working for me (both link inserti= on
> and html export seem at least temporarily broken).
>
> The UI for org-ref is pretty fantastic, and I love it. I'm having = trouble
> getting the behaviour I want fro mthe actual links, though.=C2=A0 My n= eeds may
> be somewhat atypical but I'm hoping someone else has figured these=
> questions out already.
>
> * citation types
> The org-ref manual talks about different citation types, but the exter= nal
> link it suggests is not loading:
> http://ctan.unixbrain.com/macros/latex/contrib/natbib/natnotes.pdf

try: http://tug.ctan.org/macros/<= wbr>latex/contrib/natbib/natnotes.pdf

<= div>ok, thx.

>
> Does anyone know what the other options are? In particular, for the sy= llabi
> I'm currently creating I'd like to just insert the org-formatt= ed citation
> information itself -- is this possible?

Can you give an example?


I htink = I'm looking for something impossible.=C2=A0 org-zotxt allowed me to use= a link type "citation", which just inserted the full citation in= org syntax:

Hayles, K. (1999). /How we became posthuman: virtual bo= dies in cybernetics, literature, and informatics/. Chicago, Ill.: Universit= y of Chicago Press. [[http://search.libr= ary.utoronto.ca/details?7949488&uuid=3D5aaa42cf-ffd2-41e3-ac6b-60e649f9= f289]]

rather than generating a link.=C2=A0 If I had = an option to do this in my syllabi, it would greatly simplify my work flow.=
=C2=A0
> I'd like to be able to point my
> students directly to my github repo, and it will ultimately be more > convenient to have the links already present in the source code, since=
> github doesn't reoslve org-ref

What I mean is, that I'd like to stop building course = websites and instead just point students to github repos where my docs live= in an org format.=C2=A0 This means I reallywant the citatiion information,= and not citation links.=C2=A0 E.g.:

https://github.com/titaniumbones/New113/blob/m= aster/New113Syllabus.org#2017-01-26-thu-state-surveillance


<= /div>

>
> * bib style
> When I right-click on a link and select "copy the formatted citat= ion", I
> don't get the URL field, which my students need. I assume that'= ;s because
> I'm not using the right bibliographic style. How do I set the cita= tion
> format?=C2=A0 Would I use the bibliographystyle link, or a header argu= ment
> somewhere?

Support for this is kind of rudimentary, because it is really diffic= ult
to get properly formatted strings for all references.

When you click on a cite link and select copy formatted entry what
happens is the bibfile is opened to that entry and then the result of
org-ref-bib-citation is copied. It is pretty simple, and limited. At the moment, I think helm-bibtex does the actual formatting if you load it,
and it does not appear to be customizable. See bibtex-completion-apa-format= -reference

I will work on this a little bit and see if some improvements can be
made.

thanks you John!
=

>
> Also, is it possible to set this option to use org formatting instead = of
> html formatting?

You could use a function like this on a link to get something more customizable.

(defun better-formatted-citation ()
=C2=A0 (interactive)
=C2=A0 (kill-new (org-ref-get-bibtex-entry-citation (car (org-ref-get-= bibtex-key-and-file)))))

see the variable org-ref-bibliography-entry-format, you can set this t= o
be whatever format you want.

ah, looks pretty = simple, I should be able to do this.
>
> * Bibliography scope
> I guess I don't really know how to build a bibliographic file to g= o with a
> particular project.=C2=A0 At present I am using my full Zotero library= exported
> to bibtex as a default. Is there a way to just build the bibliography = from
> the set of sources cited in the paper?

M-x org-ref-extract-bibtex-entries should put a new heading in the b= uffer
with the relevant bibtex entries.

<= /blockquote>
excellent, thank you!
=C2=A0
>
> Thanks everyone, and of course especially John for this amazing tool.<= br> >
> Matt


--
Professor John Kitchin
Doherty Hall A207F
Department of Chemical Engineering
Carnegie Mellon University
Pittsburgh, PA 15213
412-268-7803
@johnkitchin
http://kitchingroup.cheme.cmu.edu

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