On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 10:26 AM, John Kitchin <jkitchin@andrew.cmu.edu>
wrote:

>
> Matt Price writes:
>
> > After several years, I'm finally trying to move to bibtex from zotero,
> > partly because org-zotxt has stopped working for me (both link insertion
> > and html export seem at least temporarily broken).
> >
> > The UI for org-ref is pretty fantastic, and I love it. I'm having trouble
> > getting the behaviour I want fro mthe actual links, though.  My needs may
> > be somewhat atypical but I'm hoping someone else has figured these
> > questions out already.
> >
> > * citation types
> > The org-ref manual talks about different citation types, but the external
> > link it suggests is not loading:
> > http://ctan.unixbrain.com/macros/latex/contrib/natbib/natnotes.pdf
>
> try: http://tug.ctan.org/macros/latex/contrib/natbib/natnotes.pdf


ok, thx.

>
>
> >
> > Does anyone know what the other options are? In particular, for the
> syllabi
> > I'm currently creating I'd like to just insert the org-formatted citation
> > information itself -- is this possible?
>
> Can you give an example?
>
>
I htink I'm looking for something impossible.  org-zotxt allowed me to use
a link type "citation", which just inserted the full citation in org syntax:

Hayles, K. (1999). /How we became posthuman: virtual bodies in cybernetics,
literature, and informatics/. Chicago, Ill.: University of Chicago Press. [[
http://search.library.utoronto.ca/details?7949488&uuid=5aaa42cf-ffd2-41e3-ac6b-60e649f9f289
]]

rather than generating a link.  If I had an option to do this in my
syllabi, it would greatly simplify my work flow.


> > I'd like to be able to point my
> > students directly to my github repo, and it will ultimately be more
> > convenient to have the links already present in the source code, since
> > github doesn't reoslve org-ref
>
> What I mean is, that I'd like to stop building course websites and instead
> just point students to github repos where my docs live in an org format.
> This means I reallywant the citatiion information, and not citation links.
> E.g.:
>

https://github.com/titaniumbones/New113/blob/master/New113Syllabus.org#2017-01-26-thu-state-surveillance



> >
> > * bib style
> > When I right-click on a link and select "copy the formatted citation", I
> > don't get the URL field, which my students need. I assume that's because
> > I'm not using the right bibliographic style. How do I set the citation
> > format?  Would I use the bibliographystyle link, or a header argument
> > somewhere?
>
> Support for this is kind of rudimentary, because it is really difficult
> to get properly formatted strings for all references.
>
> When you click on a cite link and select copy formatted entry what
> happens is the bibfile is opened to that entry and then the result of
> org-ref-bib-citation is copied. It is pretty simple, and limited. At the
> moment, I think helm-bibtex does the actual formatting if you load it,
> and it does not appear to be customizable. See
> bibtex-completion-apa-format-reference
>
> I will work on this a little bit and see if some improvements can be
> made.
>

thanks you John!

>
> >
> > Also, is it possible to set this option to use org formatting instead of
> > html formatting?
>
> You could use a function like this on a link to get something more
> customizable.
>
> (defun better-formatted-citation ()
>   (interactive)
>   (kill-new (org-ref-get-bibtex-entry-citation (car
> (org-ref-get-bibtex-key-and-file)))))
>
> see the variable org-ref-bibliography-entry-format, you can set this to
> be whatever format you want.
>
> ah, looks pretty simple, I should be able to do this.

> >
> > * Bibliography scope
> > I guess I don't really know how to build a bibliographic file to go with
> a
> > particular project.  At present I am using my full Zotero library
> exported
> > to bibtex as a default. Is there a way to just build the bibliography
> from
> > the set of sources cited in the paper?
>
> M-x org-ref-extract-bibtex-entries should put a new heading in the buffer
> with the relevant bibtex entries.
>
> excellent, thank you!


> >
> > Thanks everyone, and of course especially John for this amazing tool.
> >
> > Matt
>
>
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