From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Matt Price Subject: Re: emacs & org mode for scholars questions Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 15:04:43 +0000 Message-ID: References: <55dbff57.2491420a.591b6.5304@mx.google.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1142667c655482051e240e98 Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37024) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZUFmT-0000uj-GE for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Aug 2015 11:05:03 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZUFmS-0005Lm-5O for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Aug 2015 11:04:57 -0400 Received: from mail-io0-x233.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c06::233]:32849) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZUFmR-0005L3-Tb for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Aug 2015 11:04:56 -0400 Received: by iods203 with SMTP id s203so189848537iod.0 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2015 08:04:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: John Kitchin , Erik Hetzner Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --001a1142667c655482051e240e98 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don't have much bandwidth where i am on vacation, but for humanists a more robust and reproducible export to odt and html is org's main weakness, I think. Zotxt is great but takes a bit if setting up, and of course zotero refa are less portable than bibtex libraries. Moving to org-ref probably makes sense but lack of built-in odt support makes that a bit intimidating, esp for a zotero user whose bibtex setup is a little inflexible. I hope you post your slides! M On Tue, Aug 25, 2015, 09:52 John Kitchin wrote: > (personal bias warning;) I think org-ref+helm-bibtex is a best in class > solution to citation management for org-mode/LaTeX users. It provides > functional cite links that connect to web of science, scopus, pubmed, > and others. It provides utilities to download bibtex and org-bibtex > entries from a doi, and also to download the pdf if it knows how. It > also provides a lot of bibtex utilities to change title cases, etc... It > provides some limited support for export to other formats like html, but > that is an area that certainly could be improved, as well as support for > other formats. It would be nice to consider expanding the bibliography > database formats supported (this would also require expanding the export > code). > > There is a cite element that has been developed in org-mode that may one > day supercede the link based approach that org-ref uses. Much of the > functionality of org-ref could be retained when that happens. > > What would make it even better? Integrated smart search, e.g. find other > documents that cite a reference, find similar documents/references based > on what you have written. > > Most important maybe: figure out how to merge narrative text in version > control! I don't want to write a sentence per line just to use the > default merge with git. I really want a word-based track-change like > diff, and merge. > > Erik Hetzner writes: > > > Hi all, > > > > I am going to be giving a talk on how Emacs can help support scholars, > > especially those who are using plain text and doing reproducible > > research, at =E2=80=9CEmacsconf 2015=E2=80=9D in San Francisco this Sat= urday (the > > 29th). > > > > I have done some work on managing references using Emacs & pandoc, but > > what I=E2=80=99d like to focus on in this talk is why Emacs is a great = tool > > for scholarly writers (both scientists and humanists) and what Emacs > > developers should be concentrating on to make it an even better tool > > for the scholarly community. > > > > I=E2=80=99m wondering if you any of you might have any suggestions abou= t what > > you would like to see Emacs do better to support the scholarly writing > > community. > > > > Thanks for any help you can provide! > > > > best, Erik Hetzner > > -- > Professor John Kitchin > Doherty Hall A207F > Department of Chemical Engineering > Carnegie Mellon University > Pittsburgh, PA 15213 > 412-268-7803 > @johnkitchin > http://kitchingroup.cheme.cmu.edu > > --001a1142667c655482051e240e98 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Don't have much bandwidth where i am on vacation, but fo= r humanists a more robust and reproducible export to odt and html is org= 9;s main weakness, I think. Zotxt is great but takes a bit if setting up, a= nd of course zotero refa are less portable than bibtex libraries. Moving to= org-ref probably makes sense but lack of built-in odt support makes that a= bit intimidating, esp for a zotero user whose bibtex setup is a little inf= lexible.

I hope you post your slides!

M


On Tue, Aug 25, 2015, 09:52= =C2=A0John Kitchin <jkitchin@= andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
(pers= onal bias warning;) I think org-ref+helm-bibtex is a best in class
solution to citation management for org-mode/LaTeX users. It provides
functional cite links that connect to web of science, scopus, pubmed,
and others. It provides utilities to download bibtex and org-bibtex
entries from a doi, and also to download the pdf if it knows how. It
also provides a lot of bibtex utilities to change title cases, etc... It provides some limited support for export to other formats like html, but that is an area that certainly could be improved, as well as support for other formats. It would be nice to consider expanding the bibliography
database formats supported (this would also require expanding the export code).

There is a cite element that has been developed in org-mode that may one day supercede the link based approach that org-ref uses. Much of the
functionality of org-ref could be retained when that happens.

What would make it even better? Integrated smart search, e.g. find other documents that cite a reference, find similar documents/references based on what you have written.

Most important maybe: figure out how to merge narrative text in version
control! I don't want to write a sentence per line just to use the
default merge with git. I really want a word-based track-change like
diff, and merge.

Erik Hetzner writes:

> Hi all,
>
> I am going to be giving a talk on how Emacs can help support scholars,=
> especially those who are using plain text and doing reproducible
> research, at =E2=80=9CEmacsconf 2015=E2=80=9D in San Francisco this Sa= turday (the
> 29th).
>
> I have done some work on managing references using Emacs & pandoc,= but
> what I=E2=80=99d like to focus on in this talk is why Emacs is a great= tool
> for scholarly writers (both scientists and humanists) and what Emacs > developers should be concentrating on to make it an even better tool > for the scholarly community.
>
> I=E2=80=99m wondering if you any of you might have any suggestions abo= ut what
> you would like to see Emacs do better to support the scholarly writing=
> community.
>
> Thanks for any help you can provide!
>
> best, Erik Hetzner

--
Professor John Kitchin
Doherty Hall A207F
Department of Chemical Engineering
Carnegie Mellon University
Pittsburgh, PA 15213
412-268-7803
@johnkitchin
http://kitchingroup.cheme.cmu.edu

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