From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Texas Cyberthal Subject: Re: org-startup-truncated default should be nil [legibility 2/6] Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 20:09:57 +0800 Message-ID: References: <87wo905gpe.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <871rr858cs.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <871rr83qxn.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60036) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1izfzP-0002BY-QB for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Feb 2020 07:10:37 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1izfzO-0003uj-F3 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Feb 2020 07:10:35 -0500 Received: from mail-oi1-x232.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::232]:41931) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1izfzO-0003tf-7r for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Feb 2020 07:10:34 -0500 Received: by mail-oi1-x232.google.com with SMTP id i1so4319742oie.8 for ; Thu, 06 Feb 2020 04:10:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <871rr83qxn.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: "Fraga, Eric" Cc: "emacs-orgmode@gnu.org" No, I just didn't repeat everything. A blank line is useful, yes. Use of demi-paragraphs implies use of line breaks to signal stronger transitions. E.g., from my recent workflow: #+begin_quote turning the mic off/on manually also causes a pop so would need to pause recording first simpler to just leave the mic on then fair enough. [2020-02-05 Wed 08:47] seems I'm suffering from electet mic pop which can be solved by adding a capacitor and resistor to the circuit? [2020-02-05 Wed 08:52] http://www.discovercircuits.com/H-Corner/popfree%20micophone%20switch.htm pop-free microphone switch could sample out the sound in audacity easily #+end_quote Single line breaks allow preservation of the chronological sequence of thoughts, which is useful for e.g. debugging false assumptions. The above was a simple example with short lines. But if they were long and complex, vanilla Emac's defaults would make paragraph navigation difficult. > For writing and for intra-paragraph navigation, what is necessary beyond visual-line-mode, next-line (C-n, ), forward-word (M-f), forward sentence (M-e), and forward-paragraph (M-}), and equivalent for opposite direction? What vanilla Emacs Org default visual-line-mode is missing for informal prose notes: - recognize sentences with a single space after terminal punctuation - word wrap - more line spacing and a variable pitch font - denote single line breaks with the absence of continuation marks, as truncate lines nil does - C-a/e begin/end of line should still operate on logical lines. It's easier to achieve the last two points without visual line mode, since line-move-visual is t by default. Toggling truncation off is enough. visual-line-mode's minor luxury of slightly easier navigation to arbitrary visual line endpoints doesn't compensate for loss of the critical ability to identify logical lines with single line breaks, and the loss of keybinds for quick navigation to their endpoints. On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 7:17 PM Fraga, Eric wrote: > > So, the only problem that you have, as far as I can tell, is that Emacs > doesn't distinguish paragraphs by a single newline character but > requires 2 instead? For me, a blank line between paragraphs is very > useful to visually identify new paragraphs (or demi-paragraphs). > > For writing and for intra-paragraph navigation, what is necessary beyond > visual-line-mode, next-line (C-n, ), forward-word (M-f), forward > sentence (M-e), and forward-paragraph (M-}), and equivalent for opposite > direction? (Okay, maybe a few others like begin/end of line, paging up > and down, etc.) What does spacemacs provide that vanilla Emacs does > not? (I've never used spacemacs so please excuse my ignorance.) > > -- > : Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.50, Org release_9.3.2-233-gc2bc48