From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: aditya siram Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: GNU Hyperbole 6.0.1 for Emacs 24.4 - 25 is released Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 11:25:12 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87a8h1n0nj.fsf@bell.net> <87bn1gzcam.fsf@alphapapa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11407d723873910538c8b423 Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36767) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bTAbj-0002QY-1P for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jul 2016 12:25:56 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bTAbg-0004cp-J4 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jul 2016 12:25:53 -0400 Received: from mail-yw0-x233.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4002:c05::233]:33416) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bTAbg-0004cg-Bu for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jul 2016 12:25:52 -0400 Received: by mail-yw0-x233.google.com with SMTP id r9so119696379ywg.0 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2016 09:25:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: Kaushal Modi Cc: Adam Porter , cpchan@bell.net, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --001a11407d723873910538c8b423 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I never used Hyperbole back in the day so this is all fresh for me. I am also an avid org-mode user. The following feedback is based on about 48 hours of usage. Hyperbole is a suite of tools. One of them is an outliner that overlaps quite a bit with org-mode. It has some interesting features like being able to link individual paragraphs as opposed to just headings/sub-headings but in most cases org-mode is further along. But there are other tools in Hyperbole that might interest you including Acme-like string execution. For example if you do M-RET on the word README it automatically jumps to README without having to go through the rigamarole or creating a link in org-mode. One of the nicest things about Hyperbole is that it's available everywhere. Org-mode is a mode and its features are only available in *.org files. For instance if you dropped into `eshell` or `ansi-term` and did `ls`, you can move point to any of the directory's contents, do M-RET (or Shift-Button2) and jump to that file. And that's just one example. Note that this means that all Hyperbole functionality is available in *.org files as well. To me, except for the Hyperbole outliner, that makes complementary not conflicting. It's Hyperbole *and* org-mode, not Hyperbole vs. org-mode. Additionally, off the bat, I found it very well documented and for me that's a proxy for the quality of a package and the maintainer, Robert Weiner is quite responsive and really seems to want Hyperbole to take off. There's plenty more functionality that I haven't uncovered yet but due to ease of installation and quality of documentation digging into it is actually fun; much more discoverable than org-mode which has become this giant bag of random directives. Hyperbole, even though it is old, feels like it is in its second infancy meaning it is open to change based on community feedback. As a practical note, once you install it doing C-h h d d will fire up a nice Demo which I is think is more fun than watching a screencast. -deech On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Kaushal Modi wrote: > Actually it will be even more awesome if you can record a short video/GIF > screencast demonstrating what hyperbole does compared to org mode. Or in > general how you would use hyperbole. > > Thanks. > > On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 11:52 AM Adam Porter wrote: > >> Charles Philip Chan writes: >> >> > Wow, blast from the past. I remember using older versions of Hyperbole >> > fondly and still miss it. Thank you for updating it. I look forward to >> > using it. :-) >> >> Charles, could you explain a little bit how it compares to Org? I read >> the thread on /r/emacs and looked at the wiki, but I'm still not sure >> how it compares to or complements Org. >> >> >> -- > > Kaushal Modi > --001a11407d723873910538c8b423 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I never used Hyperbole back in the day so this i= s all fresh for me. I am also an avid org-mode user. The following feedback= is based on about 48 hours of usage.

Hyperbole is a suite of = tools. One of them is an outliner that overlaps quite a bit with org-mode. = It has some interesting features like being able to link individual paragra= phs as opposed to just headings/sub-headings but in most cases org-mode is = further along.

But there are other tools in Hyperbole that might in= terest you including Acme-like string execution. For example if you do M-RE= T on the word README it automatically jumps to README without having to go = through the rigamarole or creating a link in org-mode.

On= e of the nicest things about Hyperbole is that it's available everywher= e. Org-mode is a mode and its features are only available in *.org files. F= or instance if you dropped into `eshell` or `ansi-term` and did `ls`, you c= an move point to any of the directory's contents, do M-RET (or Shift-Bu= tton2) and jump to that file. And that's just one example. Note that th= is means that all Hyperbole functionality is available in *.org files as we= ll. To me, except for the Hyperbole outliner, that makes complementary not = conflicting. It's Hyperbole *and* org-mode, not Hyperbole vs. org-mode.=

Additionally, off the bat, I found it very we= ll documented and for me that's a proxy for the quality of a package an= d the maintainer, Robert Weiner is quite responsive and really seems to wan= t Hyperbole to take off. There's plenty more functionality that I haven= 't uncovered yet but due to ease of installation and quality of documen= tation digging into it is actually fun; much more discoverable than org-mod= e which has become this giant bag of random directives.

H= yperbole, even though it is old, feels like it is in its second infancy mea= ning it is open to change based on community feedback. As a practical note,= once you install it doing C-h h d d will fire up a nice Demo which I is th= ink is more fun than watching a screencast.

-deech

On F= ri, Jul 29, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Kaushal Modi <kaushal.modi@gmail.com> wrote:
Actu= ally it will be even more awesome if you can record a short video/GIF scree= ncast demonstrating what hyperbole does compared to org mode. Or in general= how you would use hyperbole.

Thanks.

Charles Philip Chan <cpchan@bell.net> writes:

> Wow, blast from the past. I remember using= older versions of Hyperbole
> fondly and still miss it. Thank you for updating it. I look forward to=
> using it. :-)

Charles, could you explain a little bit how it compares to Org?=C2=A0 I rea= d
the thread on /r/emacs and looked at the wiki, but I'm still not sure how it compares to or complements Org.


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Kaushal Modi


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