From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Allen Li Subject: bug#28263: bug#28263: 24.5; Org: `C-c LETTER' keys Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 23:59:23 -0800 Message-ID: References: <936768a0-1a2e-4a89-8a11-8f1779f8591d@default> <87374qb21u.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <0f47b7da-82d7-4521-aaf6-f2430876ccc2@default> <87h8t59zxg.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58027) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eMUch-0006Zc-Dy for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Dec 2017 03:00:17 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eMUcc-0003NZ-Pk for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Dec 2017 03:00:07 -0500 Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:39808) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eMUcc-0003NN-Mj for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Dec 2017 03:00:02 -0500 Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eMUcc-0007jk-91 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Dec 2017 03:00:02 -0500 Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-Message-ID: In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: Drew Adams Cc: Nicolas Goaziou , 28263-done@debbugs.gnu.org On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 7:15 AM, Drew Adams wrote: > > That's even worse, IMHO. And hardly "as neutral as possible". > > > > Just one opinion. Could you summarize how you think the situation could be improved in one or two sentences? I think what you are trying to say is, Org mode should make global key bindings for some commands. However, this is problematic because there are pretty much no global keys available that are not reserved for major modes, minor modes, or the user, and at any rate I don=E2=80=99t think we could justify binding global keys by default since Org mode is a pretty small application within Emacs. calendar.el does not have a global key. remember.el does not have a global key. et cetera. Org mode is no different. If we make an Org minor mode, that=E2=80=99s really no better than the user just binding his own keys vs turning on the minor mode. Also, the reserved minor mode keys are not very good (hard to press), and they can conflict with other minor modes, which is probably undesirable for Org users. Is your complaint simply that we suggest a key for the user to bind?