From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Corwin Brust Subject: Re: org-startup-truncated default should be nil [legibility 2/6] Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 18:37:22 -0600 Message-ID: References: <87wo905gpe.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <871rr858cs.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <871rr83qxn.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <87v9oj3n4p.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <87wo8zpf9z.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000005de00a059df19867" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34455) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1izreJ-0001j1-NW for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Feb 2020 19:37:36 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1izreI-0002O2-75 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Feb 2020 19:37:35 -0500 Received: from mail-ed1-f42.google.com ([209.85.208.42]:37356) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1izreH-0002KC-Vv for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Feb 2020 19:37:34 -0500 Received: by mail-ed1-f42.google.com with SMTP id cy15so502829edb.4 for ; Thu, 06 Feb 2020 16:37:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: Texas Cyberthal Cc: "emacs-orgmode@gnu.org" , "Fraga, Eric" --0000000000005de00a059df19867 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Greetings, On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 5:33 PM Texas Cyberthal wrote: > No, that isn't what I'm saying. I'm quite happy with Emacs, especially > Spacemacs. However, I had a much harder adoption experience than > necessary, and I find that the barriers to entry are preventing > normie-noobs from choosing Org as a PIM. So I intend to fix that. > I'm not sure this is on-topic, but... what about creating a separate tutorial just org-mode? The possibilities seem endless but, for example, this could * provide instruction for different primary use cases (for me: note-taking, prose, agenda, habit, babel, and literature) * mention especially important customizations for the given usage * offer "express setup" buttons to instantly apply settings from a sample configuration. Finally, this could be added into the Emacs splash-screen alongside the general tutorial. I like the idea of promoting org-mode to people using Emacs for the first time and I like the idea of sensible defaults, especially that reduce frustrations for users new to the GNU tool-chain That said, org-mode is lots of things to lots of people, even notwithstanding the reticence to break things for people who've had them working the way the like for decades. I think this is fundamentally an education problem. But even if that's wrong, I think we should look closely at education as a solution. -- *Corwin* 612-217-1742 612-298-0615 (fax) 612-695-4276 (mobile) *corwin.brust (skype)corwin@bru.st * --0000000000005de00a059df19867 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greetings,

On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 5:33 PM Texas Cy= berthal <texas.cyberthal@gm= ail.com> wrote:
No, that isn't what I'm saying. I'm quite happy with Ema= cs, especially
Spacemacs. However, I had a much harder adoption experience than
necessary, and I find that the barriers to entry are preventing
normie-noobs from choosing Org as a PIM. So I intend to fix that.

I'm not sure this is on-topic, but... what about creating a separate tu= torial just org-mode?

The possibilities seem endle= ss but, for example, this could
=C2=A0* provide instruction = for different primary use cases (for me: note-taking, prose, agenda, habit,= babel, and literature)
=C2=A0* mention especially important cust= omizations for the given usage
=C2=A0* offer "express setup&= quot; buttons to instantly apply=20 settings from a sample configuration.=C2=A0=C2=A0

Fina= lly, this could be added into the Emacs splash-screen alongside the general= tutorial.=C2=A0

I like the idea of promoting= org-mode to people using Emacs for the first time and I like the idea of s= ensible defaults, especially that reduce frustrations for users new to the = GNU tool-chain That said, org-mode is lots of things to lots of people, eve= n notwithstanding the reticence to break things for people who've had t= hem working the way the like for decades.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I think this is funda= mentally an education problem.=C2=A0=C2=A0 But even if that's wrong, I = think we should look closely at education as a solution.

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