* blank todo kw does not delete closed ts
@ 2013-04-09 22:13 Samuel Wales
2013-04-10 7:31 ` Bastien
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From: Samuel Wales @ 2013-04-09 22:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Changing a doneified entry to blank todo state leaves a
closed ts.
#+BEGIN_SRC org
,* DONE doneify
CLOSED: [2013-04-09 Tue 14:11]
,* now change to blank todo kw -- notice the closed ts
CLOSED: [2013-04-09 Tue 14:11]
#+END_SRC
Perhaps it would be more intuitive for newcomers, and safer
for expiry searches like "+CLOSED<\"<-1m>\"" where not
everybody thinks to try to match all done todo keywords (not
even sure what the convention is for that), to remove the
ts.
Thanks.
Samuel
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* Re: blank todo kw does not delete closed ts
2013-04-09 22:13 blank todo kw does not delete closed ts Samuel Wales
@ 2013-04-10 7:31 ` Bastien
2013-04-12 2:34 ` Samuel Wales
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From: Bastien @ 2013-04-10 7:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Samuel Wales; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
Hi Samuel,
Samuel Wales <samologist@gmail.com> writes:
> Changing a doneified entry to blank todo state leaves a
> closed ts.
>
> #+BEGIN_SRC org
> ,* DONE doneify
> CLOSED: [2013-04-09 Tue 14:11]
> ,* now change to blank todo kw -- notice the closed ts
> CLOSED: [2013-04-09 Tue 14:11]
> #+END_SRC
>
> Perhaps it would be more intuitive for newcomers, and safer
> for expiry searches like "+CLOSED<\"<-1m>\"" where not
> everybody thinks to try to match all done todo keywords (not
> even sure what the convention is for that), to remove the
> ts.
I'm not sure about this one. Seems logical to keep the CLOSED
information for tasks that have been done once and that do not
have (new) active TODO keywords yet.
--
Bastien
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* Re: blank todo kw does not delete closed ts
2013-04-10 7:31 ` Bastien
@ 2013-04-12 2:34 ` Samuel Wales
2013-04-12 2:38 ` Samuel Wales
2013-04-12 15:57 ` Bastien
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From: Samuel Wales @ 2013-04-12 2:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bastien; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
Hi Bastien,
On 4/10/13, Bastien <bzg@gnu.org> wrote:
>> Changing a doneified entry to blank todo state leaves a
>> closed ts.
>>
>> #+BEGIN_SRC org
>> ,* DONE doneify
>> CLOSED: [2013-04-09 Tue 14:11]
>> ,* now change to blank todo kw -- notice the closed ts
>> CLOSED: [2013-04-09 Tue 14:11]
>> #+END_SRC
>>
>> Perhaps it would be more intuitive for newcomers, and safer
>> for expiry searches like "+CLOSED<\"<-1m>\"" where not
>> everybody thinks to try to match all done todo keywords (not
>> even sure what the convention is for that), to remove the
>> ts.
>
> I'm not sure about this one. Seems logical to keep the CLOSED
> information for tasks that have been done once and that do not
> have (new) active TODO keywords yet.
I think it depends on how you look at it.
For a different use case from yours:
I view blank entries as just another todo state. To me, I want the
same behavior (deleting the closed timestamp because I *reversed* the
doneification) for switching to blank as switching to any other todo
state. This keeps things orthogonal and therefore predictable.
The closed timestamp is not a notation (that is what state logs are
for), but a semantic indication of closedness that is useful for
expiry. Reversing the done should in my use case (but not yours) undo
the closedness.
I wanted to to expire closed entries, and did this:
("ne" "clean up by expired CLOSED"
tags "+CLOSED<\"<-1m>\""
((org-tags-match-list-sublevels nil)
(org-agenda-sorting-strategy
'(category-up user-defined-up))))
This will expire blank entries also. I thought closed = doneish
because I prefer the orthogonal approach. I think some other users
will also.
Of course the user can try to figure out how to say TODO=done& (or
something), but might not think to do so at first.
I have never changed doneish to blank without having to delete the
timestamp. I thought that was a bug and did not realize that you had
a use case for making blank entries different from other todo states.
FWIW.
Samuel
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2013-04-12 2:34 ` Samuel Wales
@ 2013-04-12 2:38 ` Samuel Wales
2013-04-12 15:57 ` Bastien
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From: Samuel Wales @ 2013-04-12 2:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bastien; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
BTW, not critical. However, todo state orthogonality is worth raising
from the perspective of what is most intuitive for new users.
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* Re: blank todo kw does not delete closed ts
2013-04-12 2:34 ` Samuel Wales
2013-04-12 2:38 ` Samuel Wales
@ 2013-04-12 15:57 ` Bastien
2013-04-13 20:27 ` Samuel Wales
2013-04-14 2:23 ` Brian van den Broek
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From: Bastien @ 2013-04-12 15:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Samuel Wales; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
Hi Samuel,
I'm convinved now, and switching to "state" without any TODO keyword
will now remove the CLOSED planning information.
Thanks,
--
Bastien
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* Re: blank todo kw does not delete closed ts
2013-04-12 15:57 ` Bastien
@ 2013-04-13 20:27 ` Samuel Wales
2013-04-14 2:23 ` Brian van den Broek
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From: Samuel Wales @ 2013-04-13 20:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bastien; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
On 4/12/13, Bastien <bzg@gnu.org> wrote:
> I'm convinved now, and switching to "state" without any TODO keyword
> will now remove the CLOSED planning information.
Thanks, Bastien. One of the great things about Org is its attention
to detail, and that includes little orthogonality pieces.
Samuel
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* Re: blank todo kw does not delete closed ts
2013-04-12 15:57 ` Bastien
2013-04-13 20:27 ` Samuel Wales
@ 2013-04-14 2:23 ` Brian van den Broek
2013-04-14 8:53 ` Bastien
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From: Brian van den Broek @ 2013-04-14 2:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bastien; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
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On 12 Apr 2013 11:58, "Bastien" <bzg@gnu.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Samuel,
>
> I'm convinved now, and switching to "state" without any TODO keyword
> will now remove the CLOSED planning information.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Bastien
Hi Bastien and all,
I am afriad you saw this coming:
Could that be an option? I actively would want to preserve the closed note
to keep an accurate history of my work with the task.
Best,
Brian vdB
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* Re: blank todo kw does not delete closed ts
2013-04-14 2:23 ` Brian van den Broek
@ 2013-04-14 8:53 ` Bastien
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From: Bastien @ 2013-04-14 8:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Brian van den Broek; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
Hi Brian,
Brian van den Broek <brian.van.den.broek@gmail.com> writes:
> Hi Bastien and all,
>
> I am afriad you saw this coming:
I somehow was, but I played ostrich here :)
> Could that be an option? I actively would want to preserve the closed
> note to keep an accurate history of my work with the task.
There is now `org-closed-keep-when-no-todo', defaulting to nil.
Thanks,
--
Bastien
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