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To: Kyle Meyer Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::133; envelope-from=samologist@gmail.com; helo=mail-lf1-x133.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Bastien , Emacs Org mode mailing list Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.02 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=Ot/G2YDA; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 61D299404C4 X-Spam-Score: -2.02 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: jauNSbc+/Os/ in case not obvious, i am suggesting a nil value for org adapt indentation. thus no physical indentation of all lines including planning lines. i'd even suggest no physical indentation as default for example and source blocks, but that is a can of worms. On 12/22/20, Samuel Wales wrote: > there are just a few defaults i think are better for new users, > despite discoverability. > > no indentation is one such. > > 1 changes org files less [better for e.g. merging] > > 2 requires less filling maintenance [for the body text; bastien's > change works here] > > 3 requires less adjustment when plain-text changes are made > > 4 is parseable by third party code that has whitespace line prefixes > in derived formats > > > another default i'd change is sub-superscript, which has littered > variable_[name as a subscript] all over the web -- even when highly > experienced org users on this mailing list export to html. :) > -- The Kafka Pandemic Please learn what misopathy is. https://thekafkapandemic.blogspot.com/2013/10/why-some-diseases-are-wronged.html