emacs-orgmode@gnu.org archives
 help / color / mirror / code / Atom feed
From: Samuel Wales <samologist@gmail.com>
To: Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
Cc: Boruch Baum <boruch_baum@gmx.com>, 42484@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#42484: 26.1: org-mode should display value of links in mini-buffer
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 14:22:05 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJcAo8urj4J=30=0w6-tjujjXW7ECy1Oue8PRQqAjF1o3d8pOA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJcAo8sLb5ug=6X4uK5fbqyUr+i4wOmNmWuzo7X9t4DN=3EN_Q@mail.gmail.com>

[and whether it is upon typing vs. movement.]

On 1/13/21, Samuel Wales <samologist@gmail.com> wrote:
> [my point aboutg orthogonal solution is that different mechanisms
> would not be needed for mouse and cursor and different stuff to
> display in the echo area.  to complete my incomplete sentence,
> major/minor modes and potentially differing delays.]
> On 1/13/21, Samuel Wales <samologist@gmail.com> wrote:
>> this is an interesting discussion.  is there any side discussion that
>> takes into account both mouse and cursor?  i have had a devil of a
>> time trying to get:
>> 1] displaying value of link in echo area [the problem you are
>> discussing -- don't let me derail it] with a short nonzero delay
>> 2] doing so *for both cursor and mouse* -- too much futzing here
>> 3] also doing other stuff -- also futzing
>> other stuff includes maybe [or maybe not] showing function signature
>> or docstrings in elisp buffers [possibly with longer delay], and
>> showing the time span in number of days from now to the org timestamp
>> at point or under mouse in any mode.
>> i have code for the last thing.  the problem is figuring out making
>> tooltips, eldoc, help-at-pt, or post-command-hook work with mouse and
>> keyboard without verbose help-echo like in dired.  also the
>> major/minor modes and
>> i guess i am saying [back to topic] this is a bit complex and i wonder
>> if a more orthogonal solution is called for?  as some might want mouse
>> activation also, and eldoc already shows elisp stuff.
>> and another suggestion: org-link-minor-mode is what i might use to
>> identify when to activate org links and timestamps.
>> On 1/13/21, Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net> wrote:
>>>> Still, I would like to continue to promote my solution, because it's
>>>> much simpler and is instantaneous upon key-press. It might also be more
>>>> efficient: The help-at-pt solution runs code in all buffers, let's say
>>>> every 0.1 seconds, all the time; my solution only runs in the selected
>>>> mode(s) buffers but after every key-press, which for an 'average'
>>>> touch-typist taking a speed test would be 0.3 seconds.
>>> I agree.  Overhead of needlessly running the global timer is what
>>> concerns
>>> me too.  But using an idle timer by help-at-pt is not that bad either.
>>> It runs code only after the last key-press in a sequence of many
>>> key-presses.
>>> So with idle timer in help-at-pt and the default delay, code runs less
>>> often
>>> than by using post-command-hook.  Here are a brief comparison of
>>> advantages and disadvantages of these two approaches:
>>> 1. help-at-pt idle timer
>>> Pros:
>>> 1.1. runs code once a sequence of key-presses is finished,
>>>      and 1 second has passed after the last key-press,
>>>      where 1 second is the default value of help-at-pt-timer-delay.
>>>      Customizing it to 0.1 removes this advantage because on average
>>>      there is more time between key-presses than 0.1 seconds.
>>> Cons:
>>> 1.1. With a bigger value of help-at-pt-timer-delay (by default, 1
>>> second)
>>>      that helps code to run less often (not after every key-press),
>>>      the effect of the primary goal of this feature to display
>>>      the help-echo string is not instantaneous;
>>> 1.2. the timer runs globally in all modes (this could be mitigated
>>>      by checking major mode in the timer function).
>>> 2. post-command-hook
>>> Pros:
>>> 1.1. can be activated locally only in org-mode buffers;
>>> 1.2. display of the help-echo string is instantaneous.
>>> Cons:
>>> 1.1. runs code after every key-press.
>>> So your approach has more advantages.  The only problem with your code
>>> is that it displays the garbled mojibake on URLs with Unicode symbols,
>>> that need to be decoded to UTF-8 with:
>>>   (message "%s" (decode-coding-string (url-unhex-string msg) 'utf-8))
>>> Also not to step on other more important minibuffer echo-area messages,
>>> help-at-pt-maybe-display has better handling with:
>>>        (or (not (current-message))
>>> 	   (string= (current-message) "Quit"))
>> --
>> The Kafka Pandemic
>> Please learn what misopathy is.
>> https://thekafkapandemic.blogspot.com/2013/10/why-some-diseases-are-wronged.html
> --
> The Kafka Pandemic
> Please learn what misopathy is.
> https://thekafkapandemic.blogspot.com/2013/10/why-some-diseases-are-wronged.html

The Kafka Pandemic

Please learn what misopathy is.

  reply	other threads:[~2021-01-13 21:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20200723035629.7jg2pd2mhqjowvh4@E15-2016.optimum.net>
2020-12-06 10:46 ` bug#42484: Updated patch Boruch Baum
2020-12-09 14:17 ` bug#42484: 26.1: org-mode should display value of links in minibuffer Boruch Baum
2021-01-11 18:54 ` bug#42484: 26.1: org-mode should display value of links in mini-buffer Juri Linkov
2021-01-12  9:45   ` Boruch Baum
2021-01-12 18:40     ` Juri Linkov
2021-01-13  5:40       ` Boruch Baum
2021-01-13 18:03         ` Juri Linkov
2021-01-13 21:18           ` Samuel Wales
2021-01-13 21:21             ` Samuel Wales
2021-01-13 21:22               ` Samuel Wales [this message]
2021-01-14  9:10             ` Juri Linkov
2021-01-14 21:02               ` Samuel Wales

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:

  List information: https://www.orgmode.org/

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to='CAJcAo8urj4J=30=0w6-tjujjXW7ECy1Oue8PRQqAjF1o3d8pOA@mail.gmail.com' \
    --to=samologist@gmail.com \
    --cc=42484@debbugs.gnu.org \
    --cc=boruch_baum@gmx.com \
    --cc=juri@linkov.net \


* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
Code repositories for project(s) associated with this public inbox


This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for read-only IMAP folder(s) and NNTP newsgroup(s).